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I Come To Bury Renewable Fuel Standards
Townhall.com ^ | February 1, 2015 | Paul Jacob

Posted on 02/01/2015 9:50:49 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 02/01/2015 9:50:49 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
even a broken clock.....


2 posted on 02/01/2015 9:54:12 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Kaslin

Ethanol bad, Butanol good


3 posted on 02/01/2015 9:55:56 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Kaslin

Forcing peeps to burn ethanol in gasoline fueled vehicles is retarded.


4 posted on 02/01/2015 9:57:31 AM PST by Paladin2
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OK, then: if there is in fact a glut of ethanol, as this article implies, why does E85 cost so freakin’ much? At present, it’s more expensive than gasoline while driving a car only about 2/3 as far.

Don’t mistake my comments above, however, as a defense of the ethanol mandate: it was a bad idea and bad policy from day one, and its principal effect has been to cause skyrocketing land values in Iowa, while transferring money from the pockets of taxpayers and consumers to farmers and big ag conglomerates.
I doubt ADM will allow this bill to see the light of day.


5 posted on 02/01/2015 10:07:15 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: Kaslin

Ethanol can be made from coal 30% cheaper than corn. Ammonia can be mixed with gas, and that can be made with baseload off peak electricity.


6 posted on 02/01/2015 10:08:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: MeshugeMikey

Rule #1: Don’t burn your food.


7 posted on 02/01/2015 10:08:20 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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There is only one gas station that has ethanol free gas in my area. The performance difference is amazing. The stupid “check engine” light goes off. I get better gas mileage, better performance, and it doesn’t destroy the seals that were engineered for 100% gasoline. Don’t even get me started on the motorcycles. My Ducati feels like a shopping cart when I am forced to fill with that E10 crap. A bunch of stupid dumb legislators know nothing but decide everything. The corn (ADM has their fingers in every orifice of DC) lobbyists are crooks and cheaters. Ethanol is for drinking and corn is for eating.


8 posted on 02/01/2015 10:09:11 AM PST by Organic Panic
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Lets just hope that some genius doesn’t find a way to use Beef, Chicken, Pork. Lamb..or Fish.. as automotive fuel.


9 posted on 02/01/2015 10:11:34 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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Rule #1: Don’t burn your food.

Aw geeze, I got here too late.

Not only can we feed all of AMerica, we can feed them with food produced at the lowest prices since the beginning of time.

We also exports mountains of all sorts of foods, including grains converted to meat. Boatload after boat load of meat headed elsewhere.

And we still have enough to burn to heat our home, fuel our cars.

AND we still have mountains of it left over.

10 posted on 02/01/2015 10:15:41 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Kaslin
A farmer in a nearby community turned all his vast farm holdings into "corn only". And he bought thousands of additional acres.

With the new conversion plant nearby, he made a killing.

He might have to go back to potatoes and peas.

Certainly not a bad guy...just doing what he could to make a buck.

11 posted on 02/01/2015 10:18:19 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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Point number 2: while ethanol-free gas will be cheaper per gallon, it will *also* propel your car farther by a measurable amount.
Ethanol has roughly 65% the energy per gallon as gasoline, so straight gasoline will give you 4 - 5% better mpg than the E10 stuff.

And while every car built since the E10 mandate took effect has been designed with its corrosive and solvent effects in mind, classic cars, motorcycles, boats, etc, are all at risk with the polluted PC gasoline.

12 posted on 02/01/2015 10:18:44 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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I think both of them will look to their bank accounts before that gets pushed.


13 posted on 02/01/2015 10:20:22 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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My Ford Focus will take E85 but I've never used it nor will I.

I just found out from a buddy that temps below 50 degrees will result in problems starting your car if you're running that crap.........

14 posted on 02/01/2015 10:20:50 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Man of "non-color" and proud of it)
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To: Sacajaweau
"He might have to go back to potatoes and peas. Certainly not a bad guy...just doing what he could to make a buck."

Good for him, and I hold him no grudge, but I certainly have no sympathy whatsoever for him and the thousands of others like him; if you live by the political whim, you can die by the political whim.

15 posted on 02/01/2015 10:21:51 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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There is no way that I would buy a flex fuel vehicle unless I was a snob, which I am not.

Interesting facts about Flexfuel vehicles that use E85 Here

16 posted on 02/01/2015 10:21:56 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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Primarily a puller of end dump trailers, I have days during the winter that require pulling stepdeck and flatbed trailers, some of which is farm equipment related. Recent trips up into Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota have reminded me of the increase of land formerly used for pasture and/or hay that is now used for corn and soybeans. Even with the advancements in minimum tillage technology, soil erosion is still a major problem.

The USDA labels certain ground as ‘highly erodible’, but allows crops if primary tillage practices (moldboard plow, dick harrow) are not used. They even allow the elimination of water ways if those guide lines are followed.

Problem is that when the quick downpours happen, the rush of water cuts underneath the plant residue on the surface, making ever larger ruts and gulleys. Then the farmer is forced to plow dirt into the gulleys to smooth things up again. That is necessary to maintain passage of the equipment as it passes through the field, but it wipes out the plant residue in those areas for the immediate future, making even more erosion possible during the next downpour.

There has been a lot of ground placed in CRP (more landownwer welfare), but ethanol has been a artificial growth hormone to the ag industry. The land is getting the worst end of the deal.


17 posted on 02/01/2015 10:25:21 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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Speaking of flex-fuel vehicles and ethanol: couple of years ago I flew to Iowa on business, and at the rental car counter was made to sign an agreement NOT to use E85 under any circumstance, on pain of being charged thousands of dollars for a complete removal, flushing, and replacement of the car's fuel system.

I thought it ironic that the very people who have forced this mandate on the rest of us recognize the effects and try to insulate themselves from it.

18 posted on 02/01/2015 10:26:52 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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CA sees ethanol as a replacement to MTBE, which was used to create their broad range of botique fuels. Not sure what they will do without ethanol. I wish all the CA regulators would just walk off a steep cliff and give us a real break.


19 posted on 02/01/2015 10:29:12 AM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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"Now the Sierrans despise natural gas and want to totally ban the technology that created our newfound abundance of gas: hydraulic fracturing."

Never be misled: at core, the Sierra Clubbies and other green weenies are core are opposed to all human economic activity, and whenever they support one energy mandate (e.g., ethanol fuels, wind, solar, etc.) it's because they think that energy is totally economically non-viable, and will thus simply result in people not driving, not using electricity, etc.
They'll never be happy until we all live in mud huts and ride bicycles for transportation.

In this they're like the so-called automotive safety and emissions mavens, whose real interest is not in cleaner, safer cars but in setting targets so unrealistically high that the cost of meeting them results in unaffordable cars, and we're back to the bicycles thing.

20 posted on 02/01/2015 10:34:34 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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