[OneWingedShark]

Not so comfortable having the jerk that cut me off today water boarded.

Given the police attitudes of today, that's what I think will happen if we give the it's ok because it's not torture approval to waterboarding — remember that the terrorists in this particular case are, under international law, unlawful combatants and therefore receiving much, much more in the way of rights/privileges than they should — I simply do not trust government to refrain from setting up precedent for violating the Constitution because they're terrorists and then turning that justification upon the civilian population.

I find it quite illuminating to, upon any government action by "the elite", ask how does this increase government power?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Do you think that our saying it is ok or not matters if the government wants to use it on people who spit on the sidewalk?

When the government is out of control, which it currently is, it is certainly possible that it and things that are actually torture will be used at their whim.

The only remedy is to bring the government under control of the people again rather then acting as if some people chatting on the internet gives them permission to oppress us.