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Should Oregon police issue commands in Spanish when facing a suspect at gunpoint?
oregonlive.com ^ | Dec. 16, 2014 | Laura Gunderson

Posted on 12/16/2014 7:28:09 AM PST by PROCON

Three McMinnville police officers faced off with Juventino Bermudez-Arenas as he held the large blade he'd just used to kill a 20-year-old Linfield College student.

Officers pulled their guns. One, who spoke Spanish, reached for her Taser but dropped it and grabbed her pistol as Bermudez-Arenas lowered his head and his hands and appeared to move forward.

Seconds before they fatally shot the 33-year-old Mexican man, police yelled, "Get on the ground," and, "Drop the knife," again and again.

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To: Zeppo
Rosa Bermudez-Arenas, Juventino's sister, said her brother told her that night he was going to turn himself into police, and she now questions why none of the McMinnville officers used Spanish to direct him.

It was then HER duty to call 911 and turn him in.

61 posted on 12/16/2014 9:27:38 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Glock is the universal language. Ebonics might work too

FTTW! LOL! :)

62 posted on 12/16/2014 9:31:16 AM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: PROCON

If someone is still holding the knife they used to murder someone when officers arrive, I’m good with the whole skipping of commands and just going with shooting.

Splitting hairs over the language of the commands is someone trying to profit off of the murder of the student. I’m also good with charges and prosecution of accessory to murder after the fact.


63 posted on 12/16/2014 9:47:33 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

in a normal, civil society your post would make sense.

The fact that this is even a debate is messed up.

And if anyone ever wants to see what a man with a knife can do to even LE who are armed........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqMgG_FI2gI


64 posted on 12/16/2014 9:55:31 AM PST by roofgoat
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To: llevrok

Giving him commands in Spanish would mean making the assumption that the individual spoke Spanish based upon his appearance. We have all had numerous hours of training to tell us that making assumptions based on appearance is racial profiling. Profiling is wrong.


65 posted on 12/16/2014 10:00:59 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Yogafist

Well I’m sure in Mexico they issue orders in English if you look like a gringo. Not.


66 posted on 12/16/2014 10:05:20 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PROCON

In a Spanish speaking country, ignoring a cop with his gun drawn will get you dead. Driving through a police checkpoint because you misunderstood the cop will get you dead. Trying to take a gun away from a cop will get you dead. Assaulting a cop whether or not you are armed will get you dead.

Actually, all of the above are pretty much true whatever language the cops speak, and whatever language the perp speaks.


67 posted on 12/16/2014 10:10:59 AM PST by marron
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To: PROCON

Well, what did this murderous illegal think the cops were saying to him? He had just killed a person . . .


68 posted on 12/16/2014 10:16:20 AM PST by Baladas
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To: PROCON
Should Oregon police issue commands in Spanish when facing a suspect at gunpoint?

If they have reason to believe the person only speaks Spanish and they can manage it without putting themselves in danger, why not?

69 posted on 12/16/2014 10:31:29 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: GBA
Or, maybe I've forgotten about presumed innocence and jumped to conclusions about his guilt and with my thoughts about what came for him?

Perhaps Juventino Bermudez-Arenas was a white-hispanic (and soon-to-be documented, illegal alien) acting in self-defense, but then was killed by a LEO?

Whatever the case, está muerto, Jaime.

70 posted on 12/16/2014 11:39:24 AM PST by GBA (Hick with a keyboard)
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To: PROCON

Gee, wouldn’t speaking to an alleged killer with a blood dripping blade in Spanish because of his appearance be rampant ethnic ‘profiling’? Cops can’t do that and meet the PC guidelines of liberals can they?

Of course, I suspect that most criminals, even in stressful situations, could read the signs of danger in body language if they see a number of police officers shouting at them and holding guns in a ready to shoot position. I guarantee you if I was in a similar situation in Mexico, even if I didn’t understand Spanish, I’d be hugging the ground—unless I was crazy or wanted to commit suicide by cop.


71 posted on 12/16/2014 12:27:37 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one... what's your plan?)
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To: Right Brother

What if this was a deaf Mexican? Could we get the cop to put down his gun for a moment while he gives hand signals over a warning to shoot?


72 posted on 12/16/2014 11:11:50 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: PROCON

Let me get this straight. An illegal Mexican immigrant stabs to death an American citizen at random and media commies whine about how the illegal could have been saved by Spanish speaking cops.

The only one fretting about this language issue is the media doing what they always do, which is making or placing seeds of doubt that are intended to make the bad guys victims. Look at it this way the cops saved taxpayers many thousands to put this guy on trial and his subsequent incarceration.


73 posted on 12/17/2014 4:45:47 AM PST by apoliticalone
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To: PROCON

The media and authorities should do a forensic analysis how this illegal got into the USA and then got a job and every other aspect that brought him to this point when he killed this kid. The employer should get his butt sued off too.. Instead of examining the real issue they bring up cops speaking the wrong language.


74 posted on 12/17/2014 5:06:44 AM PST by apoliticalone
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To: PROCON

Simple Liberal solution for this. Just have an interpreter, a lawyer, a medic and a social worker ride along in every police car. More taxpayer dollars required. Oh..wait!...bigger vehicles to transport all of that. Better get to work you taxpaying lackeys!

The one encouragement I have is that this idiocy just can’t go on much longer. Can it?


75 posted on 12/17/2014 6:24:07 AM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: TexasGator

McMinnville is a very long way from the Mexican border.

IMO, those police just saved Oregon plenty of jury trial money.


76 posted on 12/17/2014 10:03:53 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: PROCON

**Should Oregon police issue commands in Spanish when facing a suspect at gunpoint?**

No, English is the language of our nation. They need to learn it.


77 posted on 12/17/2014 10:09:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: PROCON

Don’t racially profile him and decide to speak Spanish just because he looks Hispanic!!!


78 posted on 12/17/2014 10:09:49 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: PROCON; goodnesswins; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; Hieronymus; bray; ...

If you would like more information about what's happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me.

I lost my Oregon list when my computer crashed recently, so please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.

79 posted on 12/17/2014 10:10:48 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: goldstategop

Its liberals who have a language barrier.<<

Nope!...Its a MENTAL barrier...pure and simple!....they have the “common sense” of a rock....but they sure “feel” they know what’s best for everyone...if only we could breed common sense OUT of people the world would be so much better..../s


80 posted on 12/17/2014 6:13:25 PM PST by M-cubed
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