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Not a chokehold: Truth of the Garner arrest
NY Post ^ | 8/14/2014 | Bo Dietl

Posted on 12/06/2014 12:25:57 PM PST by FreeReign

It wasn’t a chokehold.

That’s just the biggest single distortion in all the talk about the Eric Garner case, in which the public has been misinformed and misled from the start.

The Rev. Al Sharpton has never had to put himself in harm’s way to protect our streets against crime, as our police officers do every day. He’s in no way qualified to stand on his soapbox and dictate procedures. I spent decades in law enforcement. During my time with the NYPD, I was responsible for over 1,400 felony arrests — any of which could’ve required the use of deadly physical force. Volunteering to be a decoy cop in the 1970s, I was the victim of more than 500 muggings, about 30 of which injured me seriously enough that I was hospitalized. I wound up in countless physical situations and was always able to get the perp into cuffs.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: alsharpton; danielpantaleo; denial; donutwatch; ericgarner; excessiveforce; garner; icantbreathe; ignorethatvideo; newyork; newyorkcity; nicotine; ny; nyc; nypd; racehustlers; smoking; statenisland; tobacco
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To: FreeReign

Oh.He was just doing his job. Just like the low level Nazis.


81 posted on 12/06/2014 1:59:37 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Oh.He was just doing his job. Just like the low level Nazis.

It's hyperbole to call the clearing of street solicitors from in front of retail stores, Nazism.

82 posted on 12/06/2014 2:06:30 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Olog-hai
And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.

Certainly wasn't a headlock...One can see the cop's forearm pressed against Garner's adams apple in the video while they are on the ground...

83 posted on 12/06/2014 2:08:26 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: raybbr

It wasn’t over a cigarette. Apparently you listen to the MSM.

The police were called to the scene of a fight. Garner was involved in the fight, although his ‘buddy’ who videotaped it claimed that Garner ‘broke up’ the fight.

He’d been arrested for selling singles dozens of times. He was in the wrong already, then he resisted arrest. He slapped away the officer’s hands several times.

They had to physically subdue him, and during that, he overexerted himself. Diabetes, asthma, heart disease won.

Blame it on the cop if you want, but I blame it on Garner’s choice of occupation. He should not have been a repeat criminal nor a cop. He didn’t have the heart for it.


84 posted on 12/06/2014 2:08:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: caww

Just like with Michael Brown, they took out the trash.


85 posted on 12/06/2014 2:08:56 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Iscool

He was talking, right? Then it was no chokehold.


86 posted on 12/06/2014 2:11:56 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: bramps

Actually, quite the opposite.


87 posted on 12/06/2014 2:14:19 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: bramps; FreeReign
Where would the arm around his neck rank in list of reasons?

Not very high. It has to be done right to cut off the flow of blood. It is hard to cut off the flow of breathing, and most people can deal without breathing for several minutes. Cut off the flow of blood and the milk turns sour almost instantly.

The heart will pump harder in response to this situation, and if you have heart disease, this can cause the heart to fail.

NOW, what can, and likely caused Garner to not be able to breathe is an ASTHMA ATTACK. He had asthma. Exertion promotes asthma attacks. Asthma attacks mean no oxygen going to brain. Heart pumps harder and if you have heart disease, it could fail. The choke hold actually may have had nothing to do with Garner's death. They could have tasered him and he likely would have had the same attack.

88 posted on 12/06/2014 2:18:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Olog-hai
He was talking, right? Then it was no chokehold.

Not necessarily true...At the very least it was an attempted choke hold...

Garner wasn't talking, he was gasping...Even tho the air or blood was cut off, the larynx still works...COULD BE the cop was increasing pressure when they hit the ground...

Plus, the guy had asthma...The choker should have released him at the time of the obvious breathing problem...There was an entire squad of cops standing there who could have held Garner's arms and legs...

89 posted on 12/06/2014 2:26:08 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: caww

According to the ‘friend’ who videotaped it, the police were arresting Garner because he ‘broke up a fight’. I’m not sure who the fight was between. The ‘friend’ might be hiding some of the details of that fight. Anyway, the police get there at the end or after the fight. They attempt to place Garner under arrest because...

He was ‘involved’ in a fight (his friend kept repeating it out loud).
He was selling loosies.
He’s been arrested dozens of times for it.
The store owner/manager didn’t want him there.

I imagine any other participants in the fight were gone since no mention is made of their arrest, so Garner was left holding the bag, so to speak.


90 posted on 12/06/2014 2:29:49 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Iscool

Now you’re grasping at straws. If air and blood are actually cut off, especially the former, no ability to speak.

The NYPD has a lot of problems, but this isn’t one of them.


91 posted on 12/06/2014 2:32:03 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: bramps

Not a choke hold at all.

The fat slob couldn’t breath due to his obesity and his Asthmatic condition.

Thechoke technique that is unique and easy to identify, it was not used.


92 posted on 12/06/2014 2:32:39 PM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: dragnet2
You'll get nowhere trying to compare Wall Street with Main street theft. That's like trying to make comparisons between Whoopie Goldberg and Rhianna and who they date....might be playing the same game but on a completely different level of the playing field.
93 posted on 12/06/2014 2:35:40 PM PST by caww
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To: Iscool
The choker should have released him at the time of the obvious breathing problem...

I agree, but given the medical problems of Garner and that he had just undergone and exhausting struggle....it may not have made any difference.

94 posted on 12/06/2014 2:36:00 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Neither he or my eyes lied to me.

It wasn’t a choke hold.


95 posted on 12/06/2014 2:47:40 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: glyptol

No, it’s not.

Let’s not play ignorant BS games.

Learn what you’re trying to speak about, then speak about it.


96 posted on 12/06/2014 2:50:18 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: FreeReign

Using potentially lethal force to go after street solicitors when people stealing millions go scot free is a big step toward fascism.


97 posted on 12/06/2014 2:51:28 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Iscool

Incidental contact.

Not a choke hold.


98 posted on 12/06/2014 2:54:03 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Moonman62
Pantaleo explained to the grand jury that he...Maybe the little, tatted chump needs a new job then.
99 posted on 12/06/2014 2:56:52 PM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (I'm done being even remotely civil.)
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To: FreeReign

Funny how the cop haters, at one moment say “Don’t trust the media”, then take what the media says as gospel when it comes to cops.


100 posted on 12/06/2014 2:57:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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