Obama tries to play dumb on Gruber, but gets busted by his own wonkiness

Liberals have always thought voters are stupid. That’s when the lie in our face like Obama does, and when they lose elections it is the fault of “stupid, uneducated” voters.

"Jon Gruber Who Helped Write Obamacare"

http://www.barackobama.com/debate/press

White House press secretary Josh Earnest on Tuesday claimed that ObamaCare/RomneyCare co-architect Jonathan Gruber’s videotaped remarks about pulling the wool over the eyes of the “stupid” American people “are not views that are shared by anybody at the White House.”

Earnest is out Goobering Gruber. He must have gotten a huge pay raise for his lies. “Not shared by anybody at the White House” is a real knee slapper.

Obamacare is a plan developed by the Democrat Socialists of America.

They created the plan. They created Obama.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3228600/posts?page=5

If Gruber was entirely responsible for the lying and deceit implicit in the passing and implementation of Obamacare, how come all of Obama’s other policies, both domestic and in foreign relations suffer from the same lack of transparency? No fooling the “dumb American voter” is an essential aspect of everything this administration does. They are idealogicly driven hardcore leftists with complete distain even for the people from whom they derive their power. Poor Americans, black Americans and union members have never been in as bad a shape economically and socially as they are now even though their political beliefs don’t let them understand the cause.

FLASHBACK:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Gruber_responds_Completely_consistent.html?showall

January 08, 2010

Gruber responds: ‘Completely consistent’

EXCERPT

I do indeed have a contract with HHS. Throughout this year I have provided technical assistance to the administration and to Congress with my micro-simulation model, as well as based on my experience as a member of the Massachusetts health connector board. But NONE of the work I have done in public, or any public declarations I ahve made, has been in any way funded by the Administration. That funding was strictly for internal work that I did for the administration and, via the administration, for congress. All externally visible work and comments, such as my editorials or public reports, have been done on my own time.

Moreover, at no time have I publicly advocated a position that I did not firmly believe - indeed, I have been completely consistent with my academic track record. On the two issues this article raises:

1) I am known in economics as one of the leading experts on the impact of health insurance costs on wages - indeed, I wrote my thesis on that topic and have written extensively since on the fact that health insurance costs are fully translated into wages. I was asked by the editors of the Handbook of Health Economics, a review of literature in this area, to write the review article on this topic.

2) In my role as a member of the MA Health Connector board, I had to help decide what were affordable subsidies for our citizens. I was surprised to find how little work there was on this topic so I undertook a study to help lay out what might be considered affordable. I have since replicated that analysis at the federal level. Every position I have advocated on this topic is completely consistent with these reports.

Links referenced in article:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100123163100/http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/361/26/2497

https://web.archive.org/web/20100117112359/http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/361/26/2497

Perspective

Volume 361:2497-2499 December 24, 2009 Number 26

Getting the Facts Straight on Health Care Reform

Jonathan Gruber, Ph.D.

The United States stands on the verge of the most significant change to our health care system since the 1965 introduction of Medicare. The bill that was passed by the House and a parallel bill before the Senate would cover most uninsured Americans, saving thousands of lives each year and putting an end to our status as the only developed country that places so many of its citizens at risk for medical bankruptcy. Moreover, the bills would accomplish this aim while reducing the federal deficit over the next decade and beyond. They would reform insurance markets, lower administrative costs, increase people’s insurance choices, and provide “insurance for the insured” by disallowing medical underwriting and the exclusion of preexisting conditions. And the Senate bill in particular would move us closer to taming the uncontrolled increase in health care spending that threatens to bankrupt our society.

Despite the many reasons to be excited about this legislative breakthrough, skeptics abound. Their criticism is only going to get louder as the bill is debated on the Senate floor over the next few weeks. But the primary criticisms of the bills are largely unwarranted.

One common refrain of opponents of reform is that it represents a government takeover of health care. But reformers made the key decision at the start of this process to eschew a government-driven redesign of our health care system in favor of building on the private insurance system that works for most Americans. The primary role of the government in this reform is as a financier of the tax credits that individuals will use to purchase health insurance from private companies through state-organized exchanges. In Massachusetts, which passed a similar reform in 2006, private health insurance has expanded dramatically. The public insurance alternative that is included in the Senate bill simply adds another competitor — on a level playing field — to the insurance market, and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that it will enroll only a tiny minority of Americans.1

A second criticism is that the bills are budget busters. This is simply incorrect. Both bills are completely paid for — indeed, both would reduce the deficit by more than $100 billion over the coming decade. And the CBO estimates that both would reduce the deficit even more in the long run, particularly the Senate bill with its strong cost-containment measures.1 Some argue that the bills won’t reduce the deficit because Congress won’t follow through on its cost-reduction plans, as it has failed to do with the sustainable-growth-rate program for Medicare’s physician payments. But this one example has been ridiculously overused, given the sizable Medicare reductions that Congress has made in the past; the proposed reduction in Medicare spending is less than half of the percentage reduction enacted in 1997, for example.2 To oppose a bill because of a misplaced fear that the government cannot keep its promises is essentially to shut down the legislative process.

In addition, some claim that the bills are an attack on Medicare and argue that it is unfair to pay for expanded coverage by reducing overpayments to hospitals and to the private insurers that offer Medicare Advantage plans. It’s ironic that the people taking this position are often the same ones who make the first criticism (Medicare, after all, is a government-run insurance system) or the second (if the government will never follow through on its promises, we needn’t worry about reduced payments). In any case, there is substantial evidence that reducing these overpayments will not harm the health of Medicare patients — just the pocketbooks of those who profit from them. This reform would simply use market bidding to set the reimbursement rate for Medicare Advantage plans, rather than setting administrative prices, which have traditionally been much too high; and it would reduce payments to hospitals by a small percentage, while tying them to outcome measures. Moreover, the dollars that are raised will save thousands of lives each year by increasing insurance coverage among the nonelderly.

The bills are also said to impose unaffordable mandates on individuals. Without the individual mandate, fundamental insurance-market reform is impossible and we cannot cover the majority of the uninsured. But an individual mandate without financial assistance for low-income families is unethical. Both bills contain billions of dollars in subsidies to help families pay for health insurance — and an exclusion from the mandate for families that still find coverage unaffordable. Rather than imposing an unaffordable mandate, these bills would finally guarantee that almost all Americans could find affordable insurance.

Some argue that the bills would harm the privately insured. But although a primary focus of reform has been on helping the uninsured, the bills also deliver enormous benefits to the privately insured. Americans who previously purchased insurance in an overpriced, unpredictable nongroup insurance market will have the ease and certainty of buying through an organized marketplace where insurance loads are lower, prices do not vary according to health status, and preexisting conditions cannot be excluded from coverage. CBO data show that the average enrollee in the new exchanges will either pay substantially less or obtain more generous coverage than the average person in today’s nongroup insurance market.3 Employees of small businesses that enroll in the exchange will also benefit from the lower prices and wide variety of health plan choices available to larger groups, and their employers will benefit from a small-business tax credit. Employees in large businesses will benefit from a shifting of their employers’ money from excessively expensive insurance to increased wages. Most important for the insured, this reform will start us down the road to fundamental cost control, which will reduce costs for everyone in the long run.

Some critics also argue, however, that the bills don’t do enough to control costs. This argument ignores fundamental reforms in the Senate bill in particular, which includes a four-pronged attack on health care costs. First, it imposes a tax on high-cost insurance plans that will put pressure on insurers and employers to keep the cost of insurance down, while delivering $234 billion in wage income to workers over the next decade.4 Second, it includes funds and a structure for comparative-effectiveness research that will provide the information necessary to guide our health care system toward care that works and away from care that doesn’t. Third, it establishes a Medicare advisory board with the power to set rates (subject to an up-or-down vote by Congress) if costs grow too rapidly. Finally, it sets up an innovation center within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and launches pilot projects to explore alternative reimbursement and organizational structures that could transform the delivery of care.

This argument also misses the important point that universal coverage is vital for cost control. Most of the reforms that are aimed at controlling costs work through changes in the ways in which insurers reimburse and organize care. These changes can’t work if an ever-growing proportion of our population lacks insurance. Moreover, as we have seen in Massachusetts, dealing with the problem of the uninsured allows policymakers to focus more single-mindedly on cost control: after our universal-coverage law passed, the state moved aggressively to set up a cost-control commission that recommended important changes in provider reimbursement.5

The current bills are not perfect. The Senate bill has a mandate that’s too weak and doesn’t provide generous enough insurance to low-income individuals, and the House bill doesn’t do enough to control costs. Nevertheless, passage of a hybrid of these bills would be a major accomplishment and a turning point for our dysfunctional health care system. We should constructively support Congress’s efforts to create a combined bill, rather than leveling unsubstantiated criticisms from the sidelines.

Financial and other disclosures provided by the author are available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org.

Source Information

From the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge.

This article (10.1056/NEJMp0911715) was published on December 2, 2009, at NEJM.org.

References

CBO letter of October 29, 2009, to Rep. Charles B. Rangel. (Accessed December 1, 2009, at http://www.cbo.gov.)
Kaiser Family Foundation. Medicare savings in perspective: a comparison of 2009 health reform legislation and other laws in the last 15 years. (Accessed December 1, 2009, at http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/7983.pdf.)
CBO letter of November 30, 2009, to Senator Evan Bayh. (Accessed December 1, 2009, at http://www.cbo.gov.)
Gruber J. Impacts of the Senate high cost insurance excise tax on wages: updated. Cambridge, MA: MIT Department of Economics, November 20, 2009. (Accessed December 1, 2009, at http://econ-www.mit.edu/files/4895.)
Office of Health and Human Services. Recommendations of the Special Commission on the Health Care Payment System. (Accessed December 1, 2009, at http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eohhs2terminal&L=4&L0=Home&L1=Government&L2=Special+Commissions+and+Initiatives&L3=Special+Commission+on+the+Health+Care+Payment+System&sid=Eeohhs2&b=terminalcontent&f=dhcfp_payment_commission_payment_commission_final_report&csid=Eeohhs2.)

Thanks for the brevity of your post, but if I read it I’ll miss my next appointment.

Liberals have always KNOWN voters are stupid. They made the voters stupid.

Monica delivered pizzas.

Didn’t they coin the term USEFUL IDIOTS in reference to their own constituency?!?

There are only 2 groups of people that support dems, those that are too ignorant to know they are being lied to and those that know they are being lied to and are just too stupid to care.

The lies weren’t targeted at the ignorant, they are ignorant they weren’t even paying attention and if they were they will believe anything because they are too ignorant to know the difference.

The lies were created for the stupid, mainly the MSM.

In other words they are obvious lies and they wanted everyone above the level of idiot to know they were lying, not just the stupid that knew it was lies and just too stupid to care, but also people that knew it was lies and did care.

The lies were nothing more than “Community Organizing 101, How to create a confrontation”.

The lies were created to create a confrontation with the ignorant and stupid on one side and people that knew they were being lied to and cared on the other.

The main group that knew they were being lied to and cared were TEA Party.

You are seeing the same tactic to create a confrontation between 2 sides used with Ferguson Mo and the “hands up, don’t shoot” lie.

While the lies about Obamacare were being told there were also other lies being told by the WH and their ignorant and stupid minions in the MSM.

That lie was the people opposed to Obamacare, the TEA Party, were a bunch of ultra violent, racist, KKK, neo-Nazi, Tim McVeigh wannabes out to overthrow the govt.

The law was passed and signed into law on March 23, 2010, IIRC.

On May 1, 2010 there was an attempted car bomb in NYC which, SURPRISE! SURPRISE! they tried to blame on the TEA Party for their opposition to Obamacare.

The bomb was a fertilizer bomb just like Tim McVeigh used.

The bombing matched the dems talking points to a T.

That attempted bombing is straight out of the Weather Underground playbook, “find an incident , a spark to ignite the flame, ratchet it up to a raging inferno”.

Orchestrate civil unrest, then carry out a terrorist attack.

The lies weren’t created to pass Obamacare, it was going to pass anyway.

The lies were part of the preparation for the terrorist attack so they could blame it on their political opposition and have anyone that opposed them politically labeled as a terrorist.

What a coincidence, the IRS had started targeting the TEA Party demanding the names of anyone associated with the TEA Party.

We even have the Obama WH trying to create a defense as to how the bombing matched the dems talking points.

That defense was with the attack in Benghazi and the “spontaneous” lie which is nothing more than the terrorist are so in tune with the news they can pick up on a news story and “spontaneously” plan an attack.

One can only imagine the derision and deprecation of Americans in the halls of Congress, and in the WH, as Gruber reprised his "stupid Americans" act to an appreciative audience of lock-stepping Democrats.

Gruber took his "stupid Americans" act nationwide---paid millions of tax dollars to peddle his Progressive poison allover our country.

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It's next to impossible to overestimate Gruber's role....he was everywhere. Gruber was central to the efforts of Obama, and his lock-stepping Democratic allies, to shove the Progressive poison of Obamacare down the throats of an unwilling citizenry.

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THE PROGRESSIVE POISON OF OBAMA : "The one thing we can’t say is that we did not have a lengthy debate about healthcare in the USA....I think it’s fair to say there was not a provision in the healthcare law that was not extensively debated, was fully transparent (and fully reported).”

Yes, there was a debate---but it was orchestrated by one voice---Jonathan Gruber.

<><> (1) WH sign-in sheets show Gruber went there at least nineteen times.

<><>(2) Gruber, himself, talked about Obama being in the room when the Cadillac tax was invented.

<><> (3) Based on his Obamacare experiences, Gruber took tax dollars from several states to set up Obamacare exchanges....and earned millions of dollars doing so.

<><>(4) Nancy Pelosi is caught on-tape citing Gruber as a reliable source.

<><> (5) Gruber was there when Hillarycare was developed.

<><>(6) Another Gruber confession involved a conspiracy w/ Teddy Kennedy---using govt fraud to manipulate Medicare for some $500 million----to secretly finance Romneycare.

<><>(7) A former adviser to then-HHS Secy Kathleen Sebelius told the NYT Gruber was on-board whie the govt was formulating the plan.

<><> (8) According BarackObama.com 2012, President Obama's official website, Jon Gruber "helped write Obamacare....w/ specific quotes from Obama tying Mitt Romney to ObamaCare...saying that "RomneyCare" was the model for Obamacare.

<><> (9) The Congressional Budget Office Effectively Used Gruber’s Model to Score Obamacare.

Amazing childish thinking or subterfuge by Gruber: “...the bills also deliver enormous benefits to the privately insured. Americans who previously purchased insurance in an overpriced, unpredictable nongroup insurance market will have the ease and certainty of buying through an organized marketplace where insurance loads are lower, prices do not vary according to health status, and preexisting conditions cannot be excluded from coverage.”

As Rush points out, that is NOT insurance, it’s another welfare program which will be subject to all the ordinary political forces that drive every welfare program as the pols curry favor with their further Balkanized voters.

I’ll go with subterfuge.

Odumbo playing dumb, I doubt that he’s playing. As far a his handling of this Gruber thing, he thinks WE are the dumb ones.