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Obamacare repeal is more likely, and now GOP needs an alternative
washingtonexaminer ^ | Nov. 17, 2014 | Philip Klein

Posted on 11/17/2014 9:08:26 AM PST by PROCON

This month, two developments have shaken the conventional wisdom that repealing President Obama’s healthcare law is an impossibility.

First, Republicans scored a historic election victory, not only taking control of the Senate but likely winning the most House seats since 1928 — the year before Ernest Hemingway published A Farewell to Arms.

Second, the Supreme Court took up another case on Obamacare, and if the justices rule against the administration, it would force a re-opening of the law.

This doesn’t even account for the recently released videos of one of Obamacare’s main architects, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, conceding that Democrats misled the public to get the legislation passed, benefiting from “the stupidity of the American voter.”

The prospects of repealing Obamacare can now be better described, in the words of Rocco Lampone in The Godfather Part II, as “difficult, not impossible.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014election; healthcare; obama; romneyagenda; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4you
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To: polymuser
It was meant to show that Rs had some ideas.

Workable ideas would be more useful.

some lack breadth (i.e. you forgot the catastrophic coverage component of MSAs).

But a family would still need to come up with $10,000 or $10,000 in deductabls plus huge co-pays.

101 posted on 11/17/2014 11:09:49 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: PROCON
We can easily get to a free-market alternative and controlled costs, if we would only remove the anti-trust and anti-restraint-of-trade exemptions from the medical profession. Karl Denninger has written a great deal about this, and I'm with him on it.

Market-Ticker Blog Post of 9-8-2014

102 posted on 11/17/2014 11:15:03 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: kaila

...and yet auto mechanics don’t seem to have too much trouble dealing with very similar sorts of issues.


103 posted on 11/17/2014 11:17:01 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: DoodleDawg

Not if the competition kept the savings as well.


That is not how free markets work. In fact, it’s the exact opposite of how they work. We’ve been so far from free markets that I don’t think a lot of people really know how they work.

Ultimately, the price settles at a point where if the competitors offering the product drop their price any further, they’d go out of business. In fact, sometimes, it is how the herd gets culled. And then when the weak ones do go under, the survivors raise the prices to where they can make a living AND compete.


104 posted on 11/17/2014 11:19:46 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Oberon
Humans do not need oil changes.Very simplistic to compare cars to humans.
if you want ‘preventative care” then you want a government run nanny state in which tobacco and alcohol will be outlawed, weight will be regulated, dangerous sports will be eliminated- including football.
Is that what you want?
So please, define “preventative care” that does not look like Orwells 1984?
105 posted on 11/17/2014 11:21:15 AM PST by kaila
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To: cuban leaf
That is not how free markets work. In fact, it’s the exact opposite of how they work. We’ve been so far from free markets that I don’t think a lot of people really know how they work.

In theory perhaps. But we don't live in theory

106 posted on 11/17/2014 11:24:34 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

In theory perhaps. But we don’t live in theory


In reality as well. The things that separate theory from reality are usually things that involve some level of corruption.


107 posted on 11/17/2014 11:31:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: DoodleDawg

No ‘workable’ plan will work until we can control the attorneys and alphabet gov departments. IMO.

That $10,000 number represents a family with a serious health issue, not an average.


108 posted on 11/17/2014 11:37:21 AM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: PROCON

Still ignoring the one that’s been gathering dust on Dingy Harry’s desk, I see


109 posted on 11/17/2014 11:40:49 AM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: cuban leaf

Yep. Ask KMart and Hollywood Video about real competition.


110 posted on 11/17/2014 11:41:27 AM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: cuban leaf
In the case of my wife and I, we have NO health insurance (sinc obamacare kicked in) and take responsibility in our health via what we eat and how we live. We’re both almost 61 and have not NEEDED to see a doctor in years. And even when we did, it was minor (cheap) stuff.

And then one bright day, you or your spouse will have a heart attack or stroke and your income and wealth will be gone.

111 posted on 11/17/2014 11:44:44 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: PROCON
The ones liking Obamacare are the ones taking the insurance for nothing.

You give a voucher for a year so they can either work or go back on welfare insurance. This prevents them from claiming they are victims. They have a choice. Socialism in healthcare does not work.

Lawsuit reform, cross state competition and so forth.

112 posted on 11/17/2014 11:50:31 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Signalman
It was working fine before Obamacare.

It was not, if it had been they never could have foisted Obozocare upon the country.

Healthcare, (note I do not say "health insurance" because it is not "health insurance," rather it is a pre-paid health plan that includes many extra charges not applicable to one's health care) needs to be exposed to free market competition. The problem is that *NONE* of the pigs feeding at the health care trough (pols, doctors, nurses, insurance companies, SEIU et al) want that and it will ultimately have to be forced upon them.

A good first start would be to open health insurance to interstate competition. I live in CA and buy my car insurance in TX (USAA). But my masters in Sacramento do not allow me to purchase health insurance outside of California lest I obtain a policy that does not contain coverage for treatments I would never need but need to pay for so others can be receive them.

A good second start would be to allow the sale of high deductible policies that cover catastrophic medical issues only. That is what insurance is supposed to be after all. But then my costs would reflect *MY* risk and not the risks of the uninsured and illegals receiving free treatments which is exactly why my masters in Sacramento prohibit it.

113 posted on 11/17/2014 12:27:51 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: DoodleDawg
'Insurance costs had been going up rapidly before Obamacare.'

You are correct. And I never blamed Obamacare for that. I said Government spending on health care in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, EMTALA, and other subsidies are keeping up the costs.

Just like college tuition. Once you remove the government aid, the prices will come down.

114 posted on 11/17/2014 1:14:50 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: DoodleDawg

You’re forgetting about competition. Companies don’t just get to arbitrarily decide their profit margin. If company x makes $10000 profit, someone else will do it for $9900, then company c does it for $9850 plus a free checkup or something. It’s why LASIK used to cost $12 grand and now they do it in the mall for much less and much more effectively. No third party payer distorting the market.


115 posted on 11/17/2014 1:53:46 PM PST by waverna
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To: Theoria; Signalman; SoCal Pubbie

Yes, Medicare is the problem, and it has been destroying the budget, the way laws are passed, and the medical system since 1965.

A system of payments that is open-ended cannot coexist with Constitutional money and a rational appropriation process. Medicare has relied on money-printing and borrowing since 1986.

IF insurance for over-65s is to continue, either fixed payments have to be adopted (you get $10K/year to buy insurance or pay your bills), OR strict rationing has to be adopted. There is no other way.


116 posted on 11/17/2014 2:00:05 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Perdogg
The GOP has had an alternative for 6 years. In every election it is posted on the website.

Exactly.

Disappointing most Freepers don't know this....and this lack of research and awareness is a big part of the reason the libTards and Dear Leader have gotten ay with so much.

Sins of omission...inattention

117 posted on 11/17/2014 2:00:47 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: kaila
I've started appeals to some of the refusal of EBMS to pay charges; they find all the gliches, ect.

I'll check that out.

Point I'm making is that I wonder how good everybody's health care really is? My 80/20plan costs over 2 K/month; they tell me I have a Caddy Plan, but it sure doesn't seem that way to me after the last 6 months what we've been through, no joke. Just another way for EBMS to become more profitable.

118 posted on 11/17/2014 2:03:14 PM PST by Eska
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To: kaila
Humans do not need oil changes.Very simplistic to compare cars to humans.

Yes... but also very appropriate to compare automobile owners to humans. You may not have noticed, but they are quite similar. :D

Mechanics have to also deal with people who ask for quotes to fix problem X, but then when the customer brings in the car they also want service for problems Y and Z. They deal with it.

And if my knuckle-headed brother-in-law from Jersey can handle it, so can an MD.

119 posted on 11/17/2014 2:07:27 PM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: First_Salute
Third: Several of the states -— BEFORE OBAMACARE -— already had special exchange/pools, where people who had difficulty getting health insurance, could submit an application to the insurance companies of their own choice, and each year, the submissions, let’s say to a Health Insurance Company X, would be accepted by Company X. Thus, if you had some previous health condition that kept you out in the cold, and you bothered to re-apply, you would be accepted ... IF YOU BOTHERED TO RE-APPLY. It worked.

35 is the number I heard. If we really wanted to help the uninsured, why didn't we get the other 15 aboard or if you are BHO the other 22 ;-)? Nah that was to easy, it was all about control...

120 posted on 11/17/2014 2:29:50 PM PST by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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