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Conclusion: Article V empowered congress and conventions of the states with equal authority to propose amendments. The two thirds hurdle is designed to promote stability, yet not deny the right of a free people to correct structural errors in their government. Today, a congress of our representatives unconstitutionally denies that right. Our frustration is evident every day at FreeRepublic. We are so fed up with a system that denies our legitimate power to peacefully secure liberty, that calls for less than peaceful alternatives are openly encouraged.

Article V now!

1 posted on 11/16/2014 9:44:13 AM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

In before the ping!


2 posted on 11/16/2014 10:06:28 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

IIRC this was last done to pass the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition. A Constitutional convention bypasses a lot of local politics & it did so in this case (notice the 21st repealed the 18th but left up to the states the re-legalization of alcohol).


4 posted on 11/16/2014 12:07:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: Jacquerie

It’s crucially important that state legislatures and state delegations complete the process for at least one amendment to get it recorded on the history books.

An Article V path-finding exercise serves to establish successful protocols and order and to leave precedent for future generations to emulate as well as to raise awareness and confidence that this part of the US Constitution is entirely feasible and necessary.

In drafting the original 17th Amendment, state groups of voters organized an effort to invoke Article V and it was not taken seriously until it was evident that the final two states needed signaled they would be signing up within a few months. The problem seemed to arise that some states would not appoint their US Senators (bicameral conflict) and Senate seats remained empty. Why an amendment was needed in this context is a mystery as such states could have easily passed state laws or amended their constitutions with workarounds such as having the Governor appoint an interim US Senator if the legislature would not.

In any case what evolved was an elected person (US Senator) that was delinked from any state legislative concerns and who promptly became the target of oligarchs seeking political control of a federal chamber (which is what exists today). To have US Senators elected by popular vote is a joke as it creates a myth that somehow voters know who they are voting for versus the marketing, branding and packaging that is created for the public to consume. The result is an offering of Coke or Pepsi without revealing the inside ingredients. If it is impossible to revoke this right to vote for US Senator, then at least an amendment should be debated that allows state legislatures to recall wayward US Senators (McCain comes to mind).

The early 20th Century, a time in American history when such magical things called radios, horseless carriages, kinetoscopes (cinema), transocean telephone calls, flying machines and so many other modern wonders were spreading across the American continent created an ambiance of modernization that lured people into thinking it was time to update the US Constitution to solve problems that lingered since the founding. But ... the 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments, all of which were ratified in 1913 during the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson who promoted the amendments and encouraged their ratification, were the worst concoctions that Congress could devise. The generation of 1913 were too smart for their own good and the national attitude was reflected in the condescending arrogance of the Princeton academic snob that inhabited the White House. The public and its Congress overlooked the unintended consequences of this series of amendments: Congress never bothered to factor that the 16th Amendment would grow the US Tax Code into a monstrosity, nor bothered to assess how the 17th would disconnect statehouses from their US Senators, nor how the 18th would empower underworld groups to take over cities (Al Capone). And largely this was Congress’ fault as they were in that time the trusted source for bringing improvements to American government and society. They failed miserably.

But the Article V movement of today has the benefit of hindsight and it has the benefit that it is not subject to the hardened, inured and normalized corruption that takes place daily in today’s US Congress which seeks above all to preserve its status quo and gain positive albeit in many cases false media spin.

State legislatures and their legal, historical and economic functionaries have many more tools at their disposal to be well-versed in the ramifications of proposed amendments and will be careful via debate to foresee negative impacts that amendments will have both during the proposal stage and the ratification stage. Amendments may be thrown into the mix, bandied about, debated, struck down, revised, merged or separated but the debate will penetrate the American population like never before.

There exists an absolute need to examine how the 17th can be fixed if not outright repealed.

There exists an absolute need to repeal the 16th and enact the HR 25 Tax Code Legislation.

There exists an absolute need to have a serious debate and proposal over the federal government’s role in marriage, abortion and religious rights.

There exists an absolute need to seriously consider powers of the federal judiciary in the form of term limits or independent judicial review.

All the Levin amendments need serious consideration.

Importantly, plausible consequences of any proposed amendments must be thoroughly vetted before respective votes are taken.

And perhaps most importantly, the protocols of an Article V process must be thoroughly debated and tested because in effect they will be a blueprint for future generations.

Lastly, the debates must not be rushed as prolonged deliberation brings wisdom to bear on final drafts.

The effect on the US Congress will be an historical seismic event. Never again will they as a body assume that they have no outside competitors, no outside rivals. Statehouses and state delegations will appear as a heavy check on the role of the US Congress.


8 posted on 11/16/2014 12:55:12 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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