Note: this topic is from 11/15/2014. Thanks RoosterRedux.
Posted on 11/15/2014 9:45:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux
So, is that, you know, the spirit that led him to the wholesale slaughter - by means that would make the muzzies envious - of the natives - even to total annihilation of one tribe, the slaughter and enslavement of others to work the silver and gold mines?
Would that be the fine Christian fellow that Queen Isabella had brought back to Spain in chains?
Or is that the fine fellow whom we just, you know, take at HIS word as to what a fine fellow he was?
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There is a very strong argument that the Muslims ruling the trade routes and the Mediterranean Sea WAS the reason for the start of the dark ages...
Trade and shipping virtually stopped...
Imagine what would happen if the Muslims controlled the Federal Highway system and extracted heavy exorbitant taxes to use them...
http://www.glencoe.com/sec/socialstudies/btt/columbus/after_1493.shtml
Read the truth, and pay attention to the Final Voyage and Columbus death....He was pardoned after the arrest and he was compensated financially by the Queen.
As for slaughter ...how do you know what the tribe did which may have caused such a thing? Tribes were violent and not open to visiting ships in many places, so unless you were there??.
Missionaries have died in many places just for coming. And if he did sin? Great men make mistakes too...that’s why we have forgiveness.
The history channel is known for changing history. Jesus did not marry nor have children, that lie has been seen via video on the History channel, seriously. This is a dangerous age to believe everything you hear or see now that this generation is trying to rewrite history.
According to Unearthed America, there were others using the same methods the Vikings used to traverse back and forth to the US from Europe. Several episodes adhere to this. The main one though was the Mound builders which the most famous one in the United States lays outside of Dayton, Ohio. However most do not know about the mounds in another state. The link to the mound builders is that there are two mounds found in Europe (One in Scotland) that are said to have been directly linked to the ones in Ohio. I haven’t watched all of the first season of Unearthed America but there seems to be a proposal that the Pyramid builders in Central America (Incas Mayans and Aztecs) came from the North and settled there. This proposed idea is also what gives credence to the journeys of the traders of that era that they could have traversed back and forth from Europe. So in the end, the Vikings were only following the trade routes. The series also talks about the keystones found in America to support Vikings, Templars and other European groups came here.
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True. Erdogan is a jhadist leader, and used to be on the cell phone a lot with Zero...not so much lately I read.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-david-felten/taking-the-columbus-out-o_b_5970316.html
and. contrary to what is still being taught - :
the Pilgrims DID NOT dress in black and white - and they loved to sing and dance - and they brought their own ‘stills’ for making beer and ‘strong water’ (gin)
“Colombus probably meant “mosquito” which is where the word “mosque” is derived from?”
Mosquito = Spanish, diminutive of mosca fly, from Latin musca.
Mosque = earlier mosquee, from Middle French, from Old Italian moschea, from Old Spanish mezquita, from Arabic masjid temple, from sajada to prostrate oneself, worship.
I’m not so sure the two words are related despite “mezquita” and “mosquito” looking similar.
LOL....good grief.
I’m glad the Pilgrims knew what they were doing...or America would not have been the great nation it has been.
I remember that God told Gideon to select the 300 men that lapped water like a dog and not the ones who put it in their hand. Christianity is NOT about being a ‘woos’. Yes, turn the other cheek, however there is a time to fight, and God shows that balance in the Word.
Jesus comes back on a White horse in Revelations (after the Rapture) to fight the battle of Armegeddon and is the last WHITE HORSE and not the first one, because he has the SWORD and not the BOW (ANTI CHRIST).
I’m a descendant of those originals who came to conquer the New World, because they were being oppressed by the Inquisition and wars in Europe.
And I laugh that you object to their ‘strong water’. In many countries the water isn’t fit to drink, that’s why the UN wants our water supply. So beer and whiskey or gin is what they drink. Jesus actually turned the water into wine...not grape juice. Sheesh!
So you say singing and dancing is not godly, then maybe you need to read the last few chapters of Psalms, where God puts forth how he wants the worship. King David was the ‘apple of God’s eye’, even though he broke every Commandment. Why? Because he understood God, REPENTANCE, and worship.
Start worship, and quit complaining about stuff. You will be happpier. Religion kills, Christianity is life....LIVE LIFE.
What does it matter who got here first, because this was intended as God’s nation and he sent the right ones to prepare it to be the place that sent the missionaries around the world. God owns the world and all that is in it-even your stuff and he can take it away with the sweep of his hand....who got to America first is irrelevant! What God used this nation for is what counts....
WHOA - your answering post to me re the Pilgrims is a classic case of mus-interpretation.
I wrote that as example to those who swallow hype, re historical figures...(such as the hype most, including the Freeper I was posting too - subject was Columbus - continue to believe and defend against all evidence - not as any condemnation of the - MY - Pilgrim fathers. It has irritated me for decades - I’m a great gramma - regarding all the mis-information that has been/is still being taught about that most hardy band of men and women. Had they not braved all they had and persevered against all odds, I would likely have been born in England. (I have more than 30 lines back the them. Documented)
I’m a retired writer - except for my decades long column. Nary a Thanksgiving goes by but what I write a column on them - slipping in a bit more ‘education’ about them.
I neither ‘object’ to their ‘strong water’ - knowing the reasons for it - nor their singing/dancing etc - as opposed to the rigid, self-righteous Puritans of Mass. Bay Colony.
You have, no doubt, seen the History movie on them: “Desperate Crossing”? They did a good job - got more things ‘right’ than any I’ve seen before, e’en tho’ there were a couple glitches.
So “cousin”, take a deep breath. I’m on YOUR side - and thank you for defending our great-great grandparents. (BTW, one of my prize possessions is a 1898 edition of Gov. Bradford’s (5 lines back to him) “Bradford’s History” (now republished as “Plimoth Colony”. So I rely most heavily on his ‘eye witness’ account.)
Here’s my column for this year.
The Mayflower men and their guns
By Mari... | Nov 12, 2014
A prize possession of the NRA National Firearms Museum is a modified .66 caliber Italian wheel lock rifle.
Called The Mayflower Gun, it came to the shores of New England in the hands of a 20-year-old cooper (barrel maker) on the Mayflower, 400 minus six years ago.
His name was John Alden. He was to use this rifle for the rest of his life in the protection of the colony and for putting food — like “ye wilde turkie” — on the table for his considerable family. He died in 1687 at the age of 88. He married Priscilla (Moylins) in 1622 and they had 11 children. She died at age 83. They were a set of my seventh great-great-grandparents. (Many of the Pilgrims lived long and healthy lives, as did many others back then, contrary to what we are told, but that’s another story.)
Alden’s gun was discovered during a renovation of the Alden home in 1896. The home, in Duxbury, Mass., was their third house, built for them in 1653 by their children and lived in by Aldens until the mid 1950s. It’s now a living history museum. The gun had spent decades, quietly collecting cobwebs, in a hidden compartment by the front door.
The famous painting, “The Pilgrims Going to Church” by George Henry Boughton, shows all the men carrying rifles. Indeed, they were required to do so.
Myles Standish (one of my eighth great-great-grandparents), although he never became a member of the church, is shown accompanying them. Standish, an English military officer, had been hired to defend the colony and train others for a defending militia.
Standish had a varied collection of guns and his famous Damascus Sword.
When he died in 1656 at age 72, his will listed “three good guns” and his sword. All we have left of his guns is one barrel, but his sword, with its enigmatic etchings in Arabic, is on display in The Plymouth Museum. He related that he had “fought with it in Flanders.” (It has a fascinating story of its own, regarding how he might have been presented with it and, indeed, where he, himself, came from.)
Standish was relatively short with fiery red hair and a temper to match. The Indians called him “Little Chimney.” But his bravery and military prowess were to serve both the colonists and their Indian friends well for decades. The Pilgrims and the neighboring tribes to the north, as far as the Maine Coast with the sachem, Samoset, had a mutual treaty of protection from the warring tribes to the south. They had several occasions to uphold this treaty.
One day, in the first year of the colony, during a visit to an Indian town “under Massasoit,” the Indians complained about the crows eating their corn in the fields. Standish took aim at one “some fourscore off” (80 feet) and shot it through the eye. This made a great impression.
These guns were with them on their numerous trips to Maine during the years they had their trading posts in what are now Augusta and Castine. Indeed, John Alden was arrested for shooting and killing a man in the Augusta post. Hauled off to court in Boston, he was exonerated when a friend of the dead man testified that it was another member of his own group, not the Pilgrims, who was the murderer.
The sound of the Mayflower men’s guns surely rang out in the woods and across the fields that first fall as they brought back food for the first Thanksgiving. We have a list written in Gov. Bradford’s own words: “and besides water foule, there was great store of wild Turkies, of which they took many, beside venison, etc.” (Bradford and his second wife, Alice Carpenter, were another set of my seventh great-great-grandparents.)
The Indians they had invited went out and got five deer to add to the feasting, which, along with games and singing, went on for three days. They celebrated in the warm days of harvest, not November. I wish we did the same — safer for travel and to send the kids out to play.
Happy Thanksgiving.
P.S. The History Channel did the best and most accurate story on the Pilgrims, titled: “Desperate Crossing.” You can watch it on YouTube or get the DVD. A great family movie for the holiday.
Mari....., an award-winning columnist, a Maine native and a graduate of B... schools, now lives in .... Her columns appear in this paper every other week.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, “Cousin”
Thank you for clarifying that post, I am the Freeper to which it was sent and no others listed. So I responded for that reason, and if you meant it to go elsewhere..it didn’t.
Glad to hear you have that ancestry for the establishment of the New World.
Blessings! And have a great Thanksgiving.
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Fascinating thread, and I have a lot of comments, and no time now to address it all.
In the meantime, if any Freepers out there have read or are reading any of the following books, I would love to hear from you.
Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings:...
Forbidden History:...
Fingerprints of the Gods:...
Forbidden Archeology:...
1421, the Year China...
Specially people who think they know it all, because they heard or read something somewhere... without bothering to go to the original sources and records.
With the maturing of the internet, just about anything can be verified or debunked from enough sources to get a fair picture of reality.
But some people can't be bothered.
These two legged animals are dumber than camel droppings; even as leaders of a presumed civilized country.
How could Columbus have seen, or learned of the existence of a "mosque" before the koranimals proposed to build one on the site?
Few previous cultures kept as extensive and voluminous records as the Ottoman Empire. Such a volume, that they were finding priceless documents and maps from the 13th Century as recently as the 1950's and 60s! And they're not only still looking, but have no clue where to look next.
Three examples are the enormous bibliographies attached to the book, From Time Immemorial, by Joan Peters,
Cristobal Colon Textos y Documentos Completos (Christopher Columbus, Complete Texts and Documents, in Spanish) Alianza Editorial, Madrid, 1982 ISBN 84-206-2320-2.
Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, by Charles H. Hopgood Adventures Unlimited Press, ISBN 0-932813-42-9
Some (most?) of the "concrete" dogmatics discussing history, seem to have minds which are like concrete : all mixed up and permanently set...
So actually Muslims discovered Cuba..well in that case, let’s give it to them!
Note: this topic is from 11/15/2014. Thanks RoosterRedux.
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