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The Jonathan Gruber Controversy and Washington’s Dirty Little Secret
New York Times ^ | November 12, 2014 | by Neil Irwin

Posted on 11/12/2014 3:48:13 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

... It looks like a shocking instance of a onetime Obama adviser saying that the administration pulled the wool over America’s eyes in advancing major legislation. That is certainly how many conservatives are interpreting it after a video of the remarks started circulating this week.

But here’s the dirty little secret: Mr. Gruber was exposing something sordid yet completely commonplace about how Congress makes policy of all types: Legislators frequently game policy to fit the sometimes arbitrary conventions by which the Congressional Budget Office evaluates laws and the public debates them.

Essentially, Congress is obsessed with the government equivalent of financial accounting standards instead of cost accounting. It structures the laws in ways that might not be very efficient but sound good on the stump. Mr. Gruber was, in an infelicitous way, expressing frustration with that state of affairs.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gruber; grubergate; jonathangruber; nancypelosi; obamacare; rinocare; socialism; stupidvoters
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1 posted on 11/12/2014 3:48:13 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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It looks like a shocking instance of a onetime Obama adviser saying that the administration pulled the wool over America’s liberal eyes
2 posted on 11/12/2014 3:50:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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So the ny slime has turned this around to gruber being a sort of whistle blower hero for alerting us stupid Americans on how congress works, not the demorats in congress the republicans in congress.


3 posted on 11/12/2014 3:51:00 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit = arrogant little bastard)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Spin. Nothing but spin.


4 posted on 11/12/2014 3:51:59 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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Gruber was telling the truth and he's not the only one in government who thinks their constituents are essentially idiots.

5 posted on 11/12/2014 3:52:10 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The NYT is as bad as Pravda ever was. They should bethe laughing stock of the country.


6 posted on 11/12/2014 3:52:38 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The old “they all do it” spin. As predictable as the sun rising in the east. I think, though, that a few more videos will render it as pathetic as it really is.


7 posted on 11/12/2014 3:53:44 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

men are from mars, ny times is from uranus.

neil irwin: embrace the gruber!


8 posted on 11/12/2014 3:57:01 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The road to serfdom (and hell) is paved with moral equivalencies.


9 posted on 11/12/2014 3:57:37 PM PST by yetidog
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There is no Pravda in Isvestia. There is no Izvestia in Pravda. A Former Soviet era truth.

More lies from the lying lier liberals. Another reason why they exploded last week.

Maybe the voters arent as stupid as Obama’s MIT tail wagging lacky says they are.


10 posted on 11/12/2014 3:58:05 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Once a liberal defends a liberal with the “they all do it” excuse, you know you won.


11 posted on 11/12/2014 3:58:20 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Lipstick, meet pig.


12 posted on 11/12/2014 4:01:33 PM PST by 867V309 (Crusade: the only solution.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Actually, you need to hear “they all do it and you’re a racist!” Then you’ve truly won.


13 posted on 11/12/2014 4:01:35 PM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s hilarious that the NY Times finds nothing wrong with Gruber. Their duplicitous self-congratulating little island is shrinking. It’s just a matter of time before the Times shrivels up and Carlos Slim sells it for parts.


14 posted on 11/12/2014 4:05:52 PM PST by purplelobster
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WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS VIDEOS NOW? They wouldn’t get released unless the Democrats WANTED THEM RELEASED.


15 posted on 11/12/2014 4:07:16 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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Getting Gruber into the NYT may be a turning point. Now, all of American Pravda has permission to mention it.
(ABCNNBCBSNYTLATWP)


16 posted on 11/12/2014 4:07:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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NY Times editorial board members salute Gruber and Obamacare

17 posted on 11/12/2014 4:07:46 PM PST by JPG (Obama said, "then...go out there and win an election." We did!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Goober is proof that ANYBODY can get into MIT these days.


18 posted on 11/12/2014 4:07:50 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ('Provisional ballots'. When legal votes just aren't getting the job done. - The DemocRATS.)
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To: ronnie raygun

More like ‘Everyone does it’ ‘This is the way politics works.’


19 posted on 11/12/2014 4:08:08 PM PST by griswold3 (I was born here in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obalarma succeeded.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I'm with STUPID ==> <== I'm with STUPID

20 posted on 11/12/2014 4:09:53 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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