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Democrats sift through the debris
The Hill ^ | November 5, 2014 | Jessica Taylor and Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 11/05/2014 6:50:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of the biggest surprises to me was the governor's race in Maryland, which is about as “blue” a state as you can get outside of the Northeast and Pacific Coast. Maybe all the Maryland Dems in the DC suburbs have moved to have moved to Northern Virginia.
61 posted on 11/05/2014 9:10:08 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

I was in MD when Ehrlich (R) was elected (got to vote for him). On a trip to the MD state house, a state employee stopped us as we climbed the steps and pointed to the governors mansion and said, “We’ve been calling it the Peoples’ House but now I guess it will be called the Governor’s Mansion. Once inside and standing with the tour group gathered around the docent, we almost laughed out loud when she APOLOGIZED to us that the people of Maryland would elect a Republican. May these same two idiots be similarly depressed today.


62 posted on 11/05/2014 9:17:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: NorthMountain

They can’t be pointlessly confrontational. They need to vigorously confront him, but in ways that actually progress things. There is still a lot of mischief that one who holds the office can do. Recall Clinton. ...though Clinton was at least pragmatic enough to eventually give up on losing fights and claim victory.


63 posted on 11/05/2014 10:02:13 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cloudmountain

You know what ... That’s a very kind post. Thank you.

Right now I have no representation. My Congressman is a certified horse’s ass (pardon my language), my two Senators’ IQ’s don’t add up to room temperature and my Governor is medicated.

Glad for all the happy folks here today but as for me, it’s back to the drawing board. More work to do.


64 posted on 11/05/2014 10:05:24 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Will88
And he is probably one of the few remaining conservative Democrats.

That's what the deceitful, backstabbing 0bammunist bastard wants you to think.

65 posted on 11/05/2014 10:10:09 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Dick Bachert

I don’t know that people got their fill of socialism. I think they got their fill of particularly blatantly incompetent socialism. I suspect they’ll want to try it again with different incompetents. It brings to mind the Ted Kennedy/Milton Friedman quotation:

“Senator, socialism hasn’t worked in 6,000 years of recorded history,” explained Friedman. “Why won’t you give up on it?”

Kennedy rose to his feet, according to Nuttle, who attended the hearing, and replied: “It hasn’t worked in 6,000 years of recorded history because it didn’t have me to run it.”

The quote can be found in the book “Moment of Truth” by Marc Nuttle.

attributed to Ted Kennedy, 1995


66 posted on 11/05/2014 10:10:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
They need to vigorously confront him, but in ways that actually progress things.

Sure, do it constructively ... but VIGOROUSLY CONFRONT! 0bama is the enemy.

67 posted on 11/05/2014 10:11:13 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain
That's what the deceitful, backstabbing 0bammunist bastard wants you to think.

In WV, he's hemmed in on several issues that put him at odds with the Democrat party, especially the war on coal and fossil fuels in general. There are several issues that might force him to consider a party switch, whatever his true philosophy might be.

His state is turning very red when it comes to federal offices. Not sure what's going on in WV with local and state offices.

68 posted on 11/05/2014 10:17:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: blueunicorn6

The drawn blood must pour forth in an increasing flood till the lifeless corpse is spent


69 posted on 11/05/2014 10:17:41 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Will88

It’d probably actually be pretty safe for him to do so.


70 posted on 11/05/2014 10:21:10 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
It’d probably actually be pretty safe for him to do so.

And a switch might save Manchin's career in the longer run. It would be political suicide for him to support his present party of the war on coal, gun grabbing, some social issues and other issues.

71 posted on 11/05/2014 10:27:42 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88
His state

HIS State????

Bloody Hell!!!

It's MY State, dammit! He's supposed to be serving ME, and he's doing a damn poor job of it.

I don't want Manchin to switch parties. I want Manchin to be DEFEATED. He put on a sorta-conservative act as governor, fooled a lot of people, then went full 0bammunist in Washington. If he wants to be a Republican in office, then let him RUN as a Republican starting with the primary.

Now, as to Federal offices:

All three congressmen are now conservatives. Our other senator, former Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, is more than a bit of a RINO ... but replaces the truly detestable (and retired) Jay Rockefeller. We'll see what she's like as a senator; her conduct in office has been improving of late.

We haven't sent electoral votes to the demonicrats since 1996 (prior to which, WV was a reliable democrap state).

State and local offices are definitely turning Republican ... I haven't tabulated results but it looks like we may have turned both houses of the Legislature Republican.

So we don't need Joe "Benedict Arnold" Manchin, and if he did switch parties, I'd trust him only to stab us in the back.

72 posted on 11/05/2014 10:31:10 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

Manchin has four more years to serve out his current term. The possibility of his switching has been discussed. The Republican party would be stronger and the Dims weaker if he did switch.

And he hasn’t been a full supporter of Obama. And if he’s been the unprincipled pol some here say he is, he wouldn’t have any problem becoming a pretty good conservative when that was in his best interest.


73 posted on 11/05/2014 10:55:57 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88
I want a good shot at DEFEATING Munchkin in four years.

The Republican party would be stronger and the Dims weaker if he did switch.

If he switches, he's truly a RINO, in addition to being a sleazeball backstabbing gungrabbing leftist.

And if he’s been the unprincipled pol some here say he is,

"Some say"??? That "some" would be ME.

he wouldn’t have any problem becoming a pretty good conservative

Horsefeathers. One becomes a "pretty good conservative" by actually having principles ... Munchkin's principle is Munchkin.

Leave the bastard to rot on the dying vine of the WV demonicrat party ... we can do better.

74 posted on 11/05/2014 11:01:08 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain
If he switches, he's truly a RINO, in addition to being a sleazeball backstabbing gungrabbing leftist.

If he's that bad, he'd probably lose in 2018 regardless. He'll either have to become acceptable to WV voters by then or he'd lose. Still better, for the next four years, to have him in the Republican party.

75 posted on 11/05/2014 11:15:53 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88

Look ... He is that bad, and the Republic is better off if we DEFEAT the bastard in 2018. That will be easier to do if he’s running as a demonicrat. The 2018 Republican primary needs to be about finding a good, solid candidate ... not about this sleazeball trying to keep his grip on power.


76 posted on 11/05/2014 11:19:28 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Right now I have no representation. My Congressman is a certified horse’s ass (pardon my language), my two Senators’ IQ’s don’t add up to room temperature and my Governor is medicated.

Lol. You DO have a way with words.

77 posted on 11/06/2014 6:47:07 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: blueunicorn6
It is a great movie. My Dad told me, “I used to fight like a Boy Scout and I lost every fight. Then, I started getting the first punch in and I started winning.” I grew up with the children of cowboys and lumberjacks and miners and mill workers. There were a lot of fights. You don’t fight by the rules with someone who is desperate, and the Democrats are desperate. You fight to win. Fighting to see who is best at it or for entertainment doesn’t cut it with the Democrats. They don’t stop when you’re on the ground. For them, that’s when the fun begins as they try to kick in your teeth and ribs.

What were all the fights about? Food, territory, funny looks? Young boys do fight a lot. But USUALLY there's a dad around to referee so that the fights aren't CONTINUAL and brutal. Just curious, not nosy and you sure don't have to answer. Just being conversational.

My sister and I quarreled all the time until she was about 17 and I was 14. After that we slowly became friends.
She passed away in 1981, WAY, way too young. I still miss her.

78 posted on 11/06/2014 6:52:58 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: HamiltonJay
LIved there for a little over a year, don’t think all Cali’s are bad, most of the state’s pretty reasonable people... Unfortunately though the state has 2 giant metropolitan centers, that get an insane amount of wealth by happenstance of geography... THe San Fran/Bay area, where huge amounts of imported goods flow into giving the area an insane amount of guaranteed cashflow they can suckle off of and Hollyweird which again is a leech from national economy scales.
These 2 areas have so much cast off cash, that they can fund any rediculous idea that any leftist comes up with, and as such have attracted some of the most leftist folks on the planet and they just overwhelm the state from having any shot at normalcy IMHO.

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SF is NOW full of old people and Chinese. The former are the relics of folks who were able to buy a home here when it didn't cost and arm and a leg and the latter are here because China is such a PIT HOLE.

The latter pool their money, buy a house, bring EVERY relative in China that they have over here and proceed to live like pigs.
They are filthy. Not personally but their homes are left unpainted and their front yards left unweeded. Those things COST.

They WILL spend OODLES of money on brand new cars and on educating their sons but on anything else? NOT A CHANCE.

What I write does NOT refer to ABC's--American Born Chinese. THEY are 100% American. You would know them because they actually have bodies: chest/boobs, butts, some muscle. They dress like it's 2014. They dress like it's America and not Hong Kong (saggy, baggy, haggy).

The Chinese I refer to are the FOB's (Fresh off the Boeing) and CIA's (Chinese in America). Those latter may have been here two months for 82 years. They may have always stayed in their Chinese enclaves, never learned English and never wore any clothes but the tacky, saggy, baggy, cheap stuff they buy in Chinatown.

The Chinese have cash all right but they sure don't spread it around in THIS country. It IS their right to do what they want with their hard-earned cash but, in my opinion, they sure don't make good neighbors. Their hearts and wallets are/will always be back in China.

The Chinese are the most CLANNISH people on the planet ON THEIR OWN ADMISSION, and I have traveled and lived out of the USA. We even went to China in 1981 when it first opened to the West.

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As for L.A. change the word "Chinese" for "Hispanic" and you will find some similarities. The Hispanics also WORK like horses...AND send their hard earned cash south of the border.

They DO NOT spend much time or money on education, not even to learn English so they don't advance very much in whatever they do. They can NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER afford a home in California. At best they speak "Spanglish."

However, they are INFINITELY preferable to me since they WILL mingle, intermarry, be good neighbors, VOLUNTEER to help anyone who might need it, DON'T ignore us "round eyes" (a derogatory term the Chinese have for whites), treat us gringos like human beings instead of cash-cows, be friendly, help old people who aren't Hispanic...etc.

THEY are the work horses of California. They also DON'T want to be American citizens and are only here because the politicians south of the border keep most of the money for themselves and force their own people to seek money else where. They often work under the table and DON'T pay income tax, which they should do if they have their "green card."

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It's not a perfect world here in California but I wouldn't live anywhere else...ONLY because of weather. The rest of the country is either TOO hot in the summer or TOO cold in the winter. BRRRRRR!! I don't know if I could deal with the MONTHS of snow. We lived in Chicago for a year when I was young and all I do remember is the COLD!
We lived in a REALLY HOT country for five years but I won't mention it as one poster says I always bring it up. :o)

79 posted on 11/06/2014 7:31:09 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: jetson

Don’t forget Sebelius.


80 posted on 11/06/2014 7:33:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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