I think you are upset because you assume that I am placing a moral judgment on the nurses by pointing out that they infected themselves by improperly using PPE.
It’s nothing of the sort.
In the safety business, you can’t afford to be paralyzed by the fear that pointing out the victim’s mistakes that led to the accident is going to be perceived as some sort of moral judgment.
In the handful of safety incidents I have personally witnessed, and the hundreds I have studied over the years, I’ve only seen a handful where the victim of the accident really did nothing to cause the accident. The reality is that most people who end up hurt or killed caused it themselves, whether they meant to or not. In the case of those nurses, it has been documented that two full days passed while they were taking care of the patient before the positive Ebola result came in, during which the staff were using improper PPE.
Would you rather see nurses die because everyone is so afraid of hurting their feelings that they won’t tell them what they did wrong, or would you rather the safety personnel disregard their feelings and tell them exactly what they did wrong, so that they learn to be more careful and continue to live?
Here is your original post:
I happen to be a research scientist with a lot of education and experience in this area. I have never said anything that is not supported in the scientific literature, and I am always willing to provide references to back up anything I say. The information I have provided on mode of transmission is absolutely accurate, and supported by research.
The thing about the scientific world, is that we constantly discuss how things are done, and if they could be done better. We always try to improve things. Ebola really has not significantly changed, but what is clear when a situation like Dallas comes up and two nurses infect themselves is that communication, education, whatever, fell down somewhere along the way.
The protocols are sound, people have been responding to Ebola outbreaks for decades without getting infected. So, when a couple of nurses get infected, we need to understand what went wrong so as to prevent it from happening again.
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I merely pointed out that you used a poor choice of words by saying that “two nurses infect themselves”, and I pointed out that the CDC protocol at the time was perhaps not as good as it should have been.
You have spent quite a bit of time justifying your choice of words with assumptions and a bet, and even stated that the CDC didn’t really change their guidelines.
Well, I saw people from the CDC and NIH state out right that the protocol they had was not sufficient for the hospitals, and that they were changing them.
Now here’s your current post:
I think you are upset because you assume that I am placing a moral judgment on the nurses by pointing out that they infected themselves by improperly using PPE.
It’s nothing of the sort.
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No I am not upset. I think you used a poor choice of words. I stand by that. In addition, I have merely pointed out that your posts in response to my first reply to you, were not scientific, and not based on research but had a lot of assumptions.
This undermines your credibility, especially when you claim that everything you say can be backed up by scientific research.
We do know that lots of health care workers (some with lots of experience) have died this time. Why that has happened as well as what happened with these nurses is at this point unknown, and does need to be investigated.
Your last question is beyond ridiculous. Nothing I have posted would even suggest such a thing, and is you again making assumptions, and being emotional rather than scientific.