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1 posted on 10/24/2014 7:45:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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We have treason laws, why aren't we enforcing them?

Because we would find ourselves fresh out of; politicians, judges, lawyers, teachers, police...?

2 posted on 10/24/2014 7:47:14 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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While I think people calling treason are wrong 99% (or more) of the time ... in these instances I wonder about that too. Sure fits the bill.


3 posted on 10/24/2014 7:47:30 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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How can a treasonous administration convict those committing treason.


4 posted on 10/24/2014 7:47:47 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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We aren’t enforcing them because plenty of our politicians would be traitors themselves, sacrificing Americans for selfish reasons, such as not missing their party or chance to guest appear at the Oscars in Hollywood, or unwilling to do anything with regards to people who are part of their voting bloc. Then like ebola, we have to invite traitors back home, and don’t do anything to offend them.


5 posted on 10/24/2014 7:49:22 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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We never have. Otherwise, Jane Fonda, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, et al would still be in prison


6 posted on 10/24/2014 7:50:51 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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Because the act of treason is specified in the Constitution and has very specific requirements. Article III Section 3

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

It just becomes easier to use other laws like giving support to a terrorist organization.

7 posted on 10/24/2014 7:52:33 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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We have treason laws, why aren't we enforcing them?

Because if we did there would be huge portions of the government which would be culpable — from Congress to the White House and heads of agencies to the "grunts" in the TSA and BATFE.

9 posted on 10/24/2014 7:55:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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I would prefer a declaration of war (or other congressional action) before treason laws are applied. In cases like the ones discussed here, another way must be found.


10 posted on 10/24/2014 7:56:30 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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"Treason trials would help us to grapple with this trend. Re-drawing a line of citizen responsibility,...-SeekAndFind

"citizen responsibility"...do they teach that anymore? Increased MC/PC redirection by progressives in this nation are tirelessly working to redefine who qualifies as a 'citizen' and does so without the requisite recognition of 'responsibility' or 'consequence'.

11 posted on 10/24/2014 7:57:57 AM PDT by wtd
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Doesn’t the Logan Act cover this type of activity?9


16 posted on 10/24/2014 8:08:13 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Cowards. Simply the Nations leaders are full of cowards. Weak sissified men.


18 posted on 10/24/2014 8:19:14 AM PDT by vpintheak (Keep calm and Rain Steel!)
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Apparently we’ve convicted no one of treason since Tokyo Rose in 1949.


19 posted on 10/24/2014 8:26:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Hello? The Constitution is the traitor to the oligarchy in charge, not those who join ISIS.

This sort of confusion is understandable and unavoidable unless we get our illusions right in this brave, new, hopey changey obamanation.

20 posted on 10/24/2014 8:27:06 AM PDT by GBA (Can we play follow the leader now instead of follow the lemming?)
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Tom give us a break. We have had one person charged with treason since World War II. Reminds of people wanting impeach our Sunni Potus. That “ain’t gonna happen” any more than finding someone guilty of treason.

http://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2006/October/06_nsd_695.html

Department of Justice Seal Department of Justice
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2006
WWW.USDOJ.GOV
NSD
(202) 514-2007
TDD (202) 514-1888

U.S. Citizen Indicted on Treason, Material Support Charges
for Providing Aid and Comfort to al Qaeda

WASHINGTON – A former resident of Orange County, Calif., has been indicted in the Central District of California on charges of treason and providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, the Department of Justice announced today.

Adam Gadahn, 28, also known as Azzam al-Amriki or Azzam the American, “gave al Qaeda aid and comfort ... with intent to betray the United States,” according to the treason count in the indictment. The two-count superseding indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Santa Ana, Calif., today also charges Gadahn with providing material support to al Qaeda.

Gadahn is the first person to be charged with treason against the United States since the World War II era.

Al Qaeda, which has claimed responsibility for numerous terrorist attacks around the world, including the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States, has been designated a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. Secretary of State since 1999.

Gadahn appeared in several videotapes that were broadcast between October 2004 and Sept. 11, 2006. In the first tape, Gadahn announced that he had joined al Qaeda, “a movement waging war on America and killing large numbers of Americans,” and that “the streets of America shall run red with blood.”

In another al Qaeda videotape made in September 2005, around the time of the fourth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Gadahn called the attacks “the blessed raids on New York and Washington.” Discussing “jihad against America,” Gadahn referenced terrorist attacks in London and Madrid and stated, “Tomorrow, Los Angeles and Melbourne, Allah willing.”

Earlier this summer, Gadahn appeared in another videotape that also contained statements from al Qaeda leaders Usama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. In another videotape that was broadcast around the world on Sept. 2, 2006, Gadahn encouraged American soldiers to “escape from the unbelieving Army and join the winning side.” Recently, in a videotape released to coincide with the fifth anniversary of the September 11th attacks, Gadahn praised the pilots involved in the attacks and referred to the United States as “enemy soil.”

“Adam Gadahn is a U.S. citizen who made a choice to join and act as a propagandist for al Qaeda, an enemy of this country responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent Americans on Sept. 11, 2001,” said Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty. “The War on Terror is a fight for hearts and minds, and Gadahn gave himself to our enemies in al Qaeda for the purpose of being a central part of their propaganda machine. By making this choice, we believe Gadahn committed treason – perhaps the most serious offense for which any person can be tried under our Constitution.”

“Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist, who has chosen to betray the country of his birth, and align with the al Qaeda terrorist network,” said FBI Executive Assistant Director Willie Hulon, National Security Branch. “Based on this indictment, Gadahn was added today to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists List.”

“By aligning himself with al Qaeda, by moving overseas to be closer to al Qaeda’s base and leadership, and by joining in advocating al Qaeda’s terrorist agenda, an agenda that includes the overthrow of the United States government and the murder of American citizens, Adam Gadahn has committed treason against the United States of America,” said U.S. Attorney Debra Wong Yang of the Central District of California. “The charges returned today by a federal grand jury demonstrate that the criminal justice system will not sit passively by while a United States citizen engages in such activities.”

Gadhan, 28, is a fugitive who is believed to be overseas, and has been added to the FBI’s list of Most Wanted Terrorists. Photographs, aliases and a full description of Gadahn can be found by visiting http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm. The Rewards for Justice Program, run by the U.S. Department of State, Diplomatic Security Service, is offering a reward of up to $1 million for information leading to Gadahn’s arrest or conviction.

The charge of treason carries a range of penalties from a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in jail to a maximum sentence of the death penalty. The charge of providing material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization carries a potential sentence of 15 years in prison.

The Gadahn case was investigated by the FBI’s Orange County Joint Terrorism Task Force in Santa Ana, California. The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California, with assistance from the Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division – formerly part of the Criminal Division – at the Department of Justice.


21 posted on 10/24/2014 8:38:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Islam/ISIS = The Ebola of religious/political ideologies!)
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don’t worry about it, Eric Holder is working feverishly on it as we speak!!!


25 posted on 10/24/2014 1:38:49 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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