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Germany gives Israel deep discount on missile boats
i24news ^ | October 19th 2014

Posted on 10/19/2014 6:49:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Germany does about-face on refusal to grant 30-percent discount for vessels

Germany has agreed to slash about one-third off the price of three fast missile boats, which Israel wants to buy, putting to rest a crisis between the two countries.

he vessels, priced at almost $1 billion, are intended to protect the gas rigs off Israel’s shore. According to the daily Haaretz, Israel had asked for a 30-percent discount such as it had received on the purchase of German submarines.

But at the beginning of May, German’s national security adviser Christoph Heusgen told his Israeli counterpart Yossi Cohen following the breakdown in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and Germany's harsh criticism of Israel’s construction in the settlements, the Bundestag would not approve a grant of hundreds of millions of euros to subsidize the boats.

But at the end of June German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier reportedly told his visiting Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman, "don't worry, it will be ok."

Israeli officials told Haaretz there were several factors, which influenced Germany's about-face.

One official said Lieberman deserves most of the credit, for forging close cooperation with Steinmeier, who pushed to advance the deal in Germany.

Another official said Finance Minister Yair Lapid’s visit in Berlin for talks with German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble was extremely helpful in advancing the deal in its last stages.

Lapid also met Heusgen and told him he was trying to restrain Israel’s money transfers to the settlements, Haaretz said.

Another official said the Germans understood that the missile boats were a vital security necessity for Israel. Cohen, who held talks with Heusgen and other German officials, told them there was a real threat that Hezbollah would attack the gas rigs.

Germany also has an economic interest in the sale for the shipyards. It stood to lose the deal to South Korea, where Israel also inquired about buying the ships in case it didn't get the desired discount.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: corvette; europeanunion; gaza; germany; hamas; hezbollah; idf; iran; israel; lebanon; maritimesecurity; missileboat; palestinians; russia; sinai

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1 posted on 10/19/2014 6:49:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If Israel has natural gas...

Germany will not freeze...

and its industry will continue.

Period ( ; )


2 posted on 10/19/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Like Woody Allen said-— “My family bought wholesale, we always had relatives in the business”


3 posted on 10/19/2014 7:14:46 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: DavidLSpud

Wooo, go Germany.

And here we are, freezing assets when Israel has to kick Muslim Brotherhood ass.


4 posted on 10/19/2014 7:23:22 AM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

$6 million per boat discount? Just a guess.


5 posted on 10/19/2014 8:06:29 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: dennisw

Why did G-d invent Gentiles?

SOMEBODY has to buy retail!


6 posted on 10/19/2014 8:32:47 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: DavidLSpud

Not to mention young, wealthy Israelis fleeing to Germany to avoid near-confiscatory tax rates.


7 posted on 10/19/2014 8:48:14 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Signalman

In the same vein but funnier. From back when many Jews had retail businesses. With all the Walmarts and similar operations this is really more in the past. Today Jewish parents want their children to become credentialed professionals like MD or shrink or f’n lawyer...or MBA from a solid school


8 posted on 10/19/2014 9:11:20 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Will they work? Is this payback for the imprisoned Jews intentionally making failed munitions and equipment during WW2?


9 posted on 10/19/2014 9:17:33 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Vermont Lt

It the 3 boats together cost approx 1 billion. Then the discount is on the order of 300 million total or 100 million per boat.


10 posted on 10/19/2014 9:18:20 AM PDT by Blennos
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John Kerry will not be pleased, nor will his boss. This, after Israel aiding ISIS in recruiting.

11 posted on 10/19/2014 10:04:27 AM PDT by SJackson (incompetent and feckless..the story of the Obama presidency. No hand on the f***ing tiller, Hillary)
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To: SgtHooper

Its either a discount or the risk of losing a contract to South Korean builders, so they will work.


12 posted on 10/19/2014 10:58:01 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I'm not sure who the ignoramus is who wrote this, but at 2,000 tons and 330ft, this is a ship.

And the USA would do well to buy 50 of them.

It's a Frigate. And a nice one too.

13 posted on 10/19/2014 11:05:30 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Thanks for the post!

It would be interesting to know what exactly Israel will get for 300 million per ship (before discounts). A fully equipped MEKO A100 corvette (2000 tons, 95m / 310ft) sounds about right, maybe even a MEKO CSL light frigate (3000 tons, 110m / 360ft)?

Is there any more info?
14 posted on 10/19/2014 11:27:48 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Mariner
I'm not sure who the ignoramus is who wrote this, but at 2,000 tons and 330ft, this is a ship.

And the USA would do well to buy 50 of them.

It's a Frigate. And a nice one too.


I think it has something to do with German naming conventions, which are supposed to make the ships sound small and inconspicuous.

A Baden-Wuerttemberg-class ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F125-class_frigate) is also officially called a frigate at almost 500ft and more than 7,000 tons, while many say it's more of a destroyer.

You are more of an expert: What (in your opinion) would be the appropriate lengths / displacements for a corvette, frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battleship etc.? And when exactly is a boat a ship?
15 posted on 10/19/2014 11:46:53 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: wolf78
"What (in your opinion) would be the appropriate lengths / displacements for a corvette, frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battleship etc.? "

As you already know there is no agreed scheme of nomenclature and some of it is role based, some of it tradition.

But in my little world:

Corvette - less than 150ft and 1000 tons.

Frigate 200-350FT and less than 4000 tons.

Destroyer - 300-400ft and less than 8000 tons.

Cruiser - 400-500ft and less than 15000 tons. (Obviously this characterizes all the new Aegis "Destroyers" in service today and they should rightly be called Cruisers at 10000 tons)

Boats - All submarines of any displacement and day craft/landing craft/river and littoral patrol. PLUS anything the Coast Guard sails:).

After 15000tons it's all role-based. Carrier or defunct Battleship.

But could you imagine a 45T, 700ft "Balttleship" with all that steel armor...AND 396 VLS tubes?

16 posted on 10/19/2014 1:57:47 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Thanks, that makes sense to me.


17 posted on 10/20/2014 12:50:48 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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Thanks sukhoi-30mki.
Germany does about-face on refusal to grant 30-percent discount for vessels... intended to protect the gas rigs off Israel’s shore... at the beginning of May, German’s national security adviser Christoph Heusgen told his Israeli counterpart Yossi Cohen following the breakdown in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and Germany's harsh criticism of Israel’s construction in the settlements, the Bundestag would not approve a grant of hundreds of millions of euros to subsidize the boats.
Germany isn't keen to have to fight another war in an Islamic desert hellhole. An Israeli company will be selling natural gas to an Egyptian company supplying non-governmental [sic] customers in Egypt. Egypt's in a fight with ISIS and is literally surrounded by Iran's and Sudan's jihadist terror outfits. The Saudis and UAE (both allies of Egypt) are dropping bombs on ISIS in Iraq and bringing up the world petroleum supply, helping the German and EU economy, while undermining the major threat to the peace in Europe, Putin.
18 posted on 10/25/2014 2:05:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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