Posted on 10/14/2014 12:21:18 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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RUSH: Here's Thomas in Washington, DC. Thomas, you're our first call today. It's great to have you on the program. Hello.
CALLER: Longtime listener first-time caller. I really appreciate what you're doing.
RUSH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER: I wanted to make a statement that I think the American people need to hear. (huffing for air) Sorry, I was just out jogging. The... (gasping) I'm a physician here in Washington, DC. I used to be in the military.
RUSH: Okay.
CALLER: I do understand a little bit about viremia and infectious diseases. Before a virus can become contagious and secrete bodily fluids, et cetera, whichever way you're going to catch it, it has to start replicating and develop a viremia on your body. Before... (panting) Excuse me. According to the guidelines on the CDC, they state that 21 days is the incubation period, so to speak, and before the viral entity in your body gets large enough before it becomes contagious.
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I think that Nurse Pham's BF got a killer BJ.
All joking aside - and this really is NO joking matter - the answer to your question is that ANY sex and kissing with a pre-symptomatic Ebola victim is virtually a death sentence. The fact is that there is shedding of the live virus before symptoms - which the CDT (Centers for Disease Transmission) hasn't let us know just yet (it might interfere with their mission).
We have been so mislead about this that it is literally criminal. The first mistake made was to not shut down flights, but Obola & Co. didn't think anything would come of it. Now that it has, they are in damage control mode, hoping to either blame Republicans or push off any blame until after the election. I don't think they'll succeed now, it is just too public. People will want to know what's up with Pham's boyfriend and any other contacts, with the others who treated Duncan AND WITH DUNCAN'S FAMILY.
Here's my prediction: Frieden (pronounced "a$$hole") will be fired the day after the election...not to be replaced by anyone competent, just someone that can't be blamed as much and who will take the heat of Obola enough so that he won't be stressed during his golf games.
I wonder if Jesse Jerkson, who had close contact with Duncan's family, has Obola. It'd be a rather delicious irony, no? Ditto for the jackass Dem judge in Dallas. My only concern with them being infected is how many they, themselves, would infect.
I don’t want to believe there was any nefarious reason Duncan died or wasn’t treated like anyone else in his condition. His treatment was very delayed, and there were other factors like no ZMapp and no matching blood type. It sounds like the hospital staff did everything humanly possible to save his life.
It may be that the sooner this disease is caught, under competent medical treatment, the better your chances to survive.
However, it is true that had he survived, the floodgates would probably have opened to sick people. They’ve already opened anyway.
plasma from first Doctor has now been given to at least two Ebola victims. There must be survivors in africa who could provide plasma filled with antibodies that could also save lives. Plasma does not need to be typed and cross matched as whole blood does.
EXISTING survivors can save lives.
If this is errant reasoning please respond.
Yup. Never really occurred to me that when I got chicken pox, I didn’t know of anyone before, during, or after who had it - ever.
Never mind the “WTF?” period in the onset of any disease where one has symptoms but has no notion what they are nor whether to do anything about them, the “I don’t feel quite right...” time before the “oh crap, I’d better see a doctor” realization.
How long will it be before Al Queda (or whomever) brings ebola into this country and purposefully spreads it everywhere he can? I mean, everywhere, like in diluted vomit spread onto public handrails, etc.
A thousand cases might be enough to shut this country down.
It's been 16 days since the family had contact with Duncan, although his fluids could have infected him in the apartment a day or two after he left. If they don't have symptoms now, then they are probably in the clear.
Every thing he does is to poke the tiger into lashing back so he can slam the gates down on us and have copmlete control
I think a lot less actual Ebola cases. The problem is that the health care system will be overloaded with flu and stomach ailments. They will all have to be isolated and tested. If they get a false positive, then they will chew up an isolation room for a week. If an Ebola case gets a false negative, then he or she will infect others until the Ebola disease becomes unmistakable.
This will happen as soon are there are a few cases that are not "someone who just came from Africa". Imagine you are sent into an isolation section of a hospital with a fever while they wait for the test results. The patients are all separated of course, but do you really think that the health care workers will be able to completely decontaminate in between checking on different patients?
Or they give you an instruction card and send you home. You might be conscientious and do what the card says until the test results come back. But will the actual Ebola cases be that conscientious?
The terrorism threat is frightening. They won't even need to be infected, just obtain infected materials. The scientists know how to preserve ebola viruses and no doubt terrorists will figure it out as well.
Duncan knew he ha been exposed to Ebola - and lied about it to come here.
Drudge had a video showing some African ‘treatment centers’ - the term ‘hellhole’ is too kind... whatever care Duncan got was a million times better than he deserved - or would have received in his home country. All flights out of Africa need to be stopped.
He was sent packing the first time because no one at the hospital was made aware of Ebola dangers associated with travelers from West Africa.
From what I understand, his symptoms were exactly same as standard fly symptoms. That is what they would have done even if he had health insurance. You do not get admitted to a hospital bed with standard flu symptoms.
I will bet you my paycheck if another patient arrives at the same hospital with flu symptoms and declares he recently traveled to West Africa, he will quarantined pronto, insurance or no insurance.
AT the end of day why is it the other tax payers responsibility to pay for health services of people who have not worked hard to pay for their own insurance? Whatever happened to being responsible for self? Why did I bother getting a master’s degree in engineering (no easy task) and work my butt off in jobs? You bet it was so I can improve my style of living and pay for my own expenses including health insurance. If I can do it with, any one can do it. Because I was certainly not born as a gifted genius.
The real reason Obummer won’t stop flights from West Africa is because that is tantamount to admitting foreigners are not always safe health risks. Which means borders must be closed air tight. Because illegals are also a health risk to Americans.
Then amnesty to illegals becomes much more difficult for Obummer.
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
Chicken pox is transmitted by aerosols, so you don't have to be in the same room at the same time as someone who is sick to catch it. You could catch it by walking by an open window. You could catch it by breathing the air in a room that someone with chickenpox recently, but no longer, occupies.
The chicken pox virus is completely different from the Ebola virus, in just about every way.
I listened to that doctor. While he may be former military, and may even be an infectious disease doc, most docs in the military know nothing about the Ebola virus. He sounded to me like someone talking about general features of viral disease, not specific features of Ebola disease.
Ebola cannot be shed until there are symptoms, because it causes the symptoms in order to find a new host.
Some respiratory viruses shed prior to symptoms, but Ebola is not a respiratory virus.
That was not my point. I never said each virus is identical.
Again, so you understand, my MAIN POINT....
A person infected with a virus does not necessarily have to be showing the sickness symptoms while they are infectious and be able to transmit the virus.
A person infected with Ebola does not have to be carrying a fever or vomiting to be infectious. You could be sitting next to her in a bus and inadvertently exchange minute sweat droplets.
It is exactly same with chicken pox. One is infectious before breaking out in skin pox.
The mode of transmission can be different for different viruses as you correctly point out.
Do you know how Ashoka Mupko, the foreign reporter contracted the disease? Washing the car of an Ebola patient story has been already discredited. He had no contact with anyone displaying Ebola symptoms.
How about Duncan's seatmates on his three flights (ROB-BRU, BRU-IAD, IAD-DFW)? This experiment has already been performed, ethical or not. I haven't heard that any of those seatmates have got Ebola. And, based on what we know now, that is the expected outcome (unless one of them joined the Mile High Club with him).
Then there are the people Duncan interacted with between arriving in Dallas and becoming ill. Have any of them got Ebola?
And, finally, there are the people Duncan was staying with when he did become ill, the crew of the ambulance Youngor Jallah summoned, the guys power-washing his vomit, etc. Have any of them got Ebola?
It seems Nina Pham got Ebola exactly the same way her patient got it: by slipping up while caring for a maximally ill, maximally infectious patient.
If that is true, why did he not object strongly when Dr Feelgood at Texas Presbyterian sent him on his way with a less than worthless antibiotic prescription? Why did he object when his stepdaughter Youngor Jallah told him she was going to call an ambulance after taking his temperature (102°)?
Fact is, he got his visa (thanks, Lurch!) and his ticket well before his exposure to Ebola. So much for your theory about coming here to get treated. And the family of the Ebola patient he handled flat-out lied about the nature of their daughter's condition. We know this from the cab driver, Jiminez Grugbaye. Being on the right side of the bell curve, Grugbaye, considering what he had seen, fumigated his cab twice and visited a clinic. Hopefully, he's still OK.
Duncan was not so smart.
Thanks for the ping!
I would not want to sit next to a Ebola infected person, symptoms or no symptoms. Viruses typically do not live long so if your clothing touched an Ebola infected person, chances are the virus will die before that part of clothing enters your nose, mouth, lings etc. But the risk is always there.
Also remember, our bodies have remarkable resistance to viruses and bacteria which enter our bodies every day we are out and about. The FOX news TV station inspected all the items in studio, and they found germs & viruses present everywhere. Every gadget, every door knob, every seat, every keyboard, every phone, etc had those organisms. Yet no one got sick. What is bad about Ebola is that most of us have no anti-bodies developed to fight Ebola.
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