You said: “...No Euro planes flying...”
You will not see any European planes flying oder European soldiers marching as long as Europe is not directly endangered. None of our business. The NATO treaty does not cover the repair of secondary effects caused by silly US wars of aggression.
The complete responsibility for the appearance of ISIS is in America anyway, since the US destabilized the “moderate” regimes in the region like Assad oder Saddam Hussein without need (they were never a danger for the civilized world). Neither Saddam or Assad were “nice guys” of course, but at least they got their muzzies under control. A acceptable annoyance. In the meantime we have to hope for Iran to take over Iraq because of the faults of Obama and his forerunner. In effect the best strategy for you would be backing up Assad to wipe out those guys from ISIS.
BTW - our reservation has nothing to do with “surrender” or other BS. It has to do with experience. Things in the ME are not that simple as one could think at first sight. All this bombing that was done from Israel and the West in the Iraq war, Gaza or the West Bank breeded a new generation of angy arabian males that only live for killing jews or americans. The only military solution would be to kill all of them (including their families as mothers, sisters, elderly etc.). Something that will not happen under Obama or under current European gouvernments. BTW - The last figure in history who killed a whole nation (or race) was Heinrich Himmler. He said that he has to do so, since the angry young jewish males would take revenge. Himmlers dilemma is something we do not want to repeat.
Of course the Nazis and the West can not be ethically compared, but the “effect” is quite simular. America and Israel are lost in a terrorist sandtrap and it is only a matter of time until one of those young arab males will take intelligent action against you. I think ISIS is just the beginning and it is going to hurt. We Europeans are well advised to stay cool, keep out of all hasty and unreflected action and spare our options for the right moment.
Regards from Europe
Andreas
I think Europe’s shown of recent they are not going to be Obama’s lapdog....He had to do some heavy strong arming regarding Russia and Ukraine which didn’t sit well with many European nations, regardless of how they may have viewed Russia.
I think the US gets into real trouble when they start nation building, as they’ve attempted...you cannot change a culture of people to something they are not when they have no desire to change their mindset. ...which IMO some do need a strong arm governance to keep the ‘tribes’ from killing each other.
Iraq was never about sadam..nor was it about wmds...it was about iran...the ballistic missles iran owns..and irans clearly stated willingness to drop those missles on euro cities.
The best shot at hitting a missle is on its way up...before we invaded iraq...europe had little missle defense against anything launched from iran. Now, iraq is full of fire control radar and missle launch sites that will drop anything shot outta iran before it reaches cruising alltitude of a jetliner..with a 95% hit rate. And....those launch sites will be dstroyed before the remnants of the missle it shot hits the ground.
Another key strategy to the iraq/afghan invasions were...to surround and cut off iran on both sides....iran no longer has free unfettered access to jordan/syria to the west...nor to the east to pakistan...which iran used to spread islam to malysia...phillipines...and china. Iran is surrounded on both borders by intel/black ops fobs...logistical bases, etc.
So..be thankful because had we not taken those measures ten years ago..iran would surely already be lobbing missles at brussles, paris, berlin,rome, etc.
You are welcome.
BIlly...from Georgia
Keep doing business with Iran, shipping them weapons command and control systems, industrial components, and even cranes to hang their homosexuals while engaging in diplo-chat about sanctions
and let your business conglomerates keep managing payoffs to the terrorist cabals running Libya in return for managing their oilfields - look whose companies and banks own them, thanks to obama
and ditto in northern Iraq- keep renting the cooperation of ISIS and buying their captured oil because, well, it's good for business and European governments take the businessman's practical approach when it comes to business. Fully expect French military cooperation in Syria will end once their business interests are secured
as for “IS” being the fault of “the West”, well, there is blame enough to share my friend
The last time I studied history all those pesky “national” boundaries in the middle east that have become “red lines” for WW4 were artificially devised in the parlors of European diplomats to try to checkmate and contain uncooperative desert tribal barbarians and protect remaining European colonial interests
You fellow infidels just keep going about your happy uninvolved “not my business” European lives, letting wimps like Obama use US troops do occasional forays into the Levant and SWA to look tough, letting muslim radicals immigrate to your countries unchecked and giving them luxurious welfare as “refugees” from the political chaos your nations helped to create.
With any luck it will only cost you a couple of high vis terrorist attacks on your civilians and infrastructure as your societies and cultures slowly cook to death in that pot of hot water called “multiculturalism”
“You will not see any European planes flying... - our reservation has nothing to do with “surrender” or other BS. It has to do with experience. Things in the ME are not that simple as one could think at first sight. All this bombing that was done from Israel and the West in the Iraq war, Gaza or the West Bank breeded a new generation of angy arabian males that only live for killing jews or americans.”
You are kidding yourself to think that Islamist ideology is not global. They want to destroy Rome - they say so. They want to re-conquer al Andalus (Spain), it is a religious imperative. The Muslim Brotherhood is now headquartered in London, and the leaders of the 9-11 attacks came from a mosque in Hamburg. They want all people to submit to the will of Allah - in their view the whole world is divided between the Dar al Islam (area of submission) and the Dar al Harb (area of struggle).
The Arab oil wealth has released their extremist missionaries to dominate madrassas, mosques and Imams throughout the Muslim world with their violent supremicist vision. This is independent of anything done by America or Israel - “it is only a matter of time until one of those young arab males will take intelligent action against you.”
It is a cliche among among Americans in the military that Europeans tend to pose as morally superior in an intellectually tortured attempt to justify what is essentially a cowardly and dependent position of leaving someone else to do the fighting. That is what your post strikes me as - wishful thinking to avoid facing the reality of the caliphate growing right now in Eurabia.