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1 posted on 09/19/2014 10:54:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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Aristotle's definition of science became famous in its Latin translation as: rerum cognoscere causas, or, "knowledge of the ultimate causes of things." For this, you can often see in manuals Aristotle described as the Father of Science.

More the philosophy of science than science itself. To the latter, I give the nod to Democritus for his amazing abstraction of atomism.

2 posted on 09/19/2014 11:03:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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For example, our approach to education is positively obscurantist.

Kids are told they have to go to college, and conservatives are kept from becoming teachers in college. An opposition to the increase of knowledge. It's a ruinous cycle.

4 posted on 09/19/2014 11:27:53 PM PDT by roadcat
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The author makes unsupported statements as to what people think science is ... I have no idea how the author comes to his/her conclusions - guessing and generalization I suspect. This not a valid critique on the subject...


5 posted on 09/19/2014 11:29:10 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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Science is politicized; thus, science is political.


7 posted on 09/19/2014 11:37:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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I have a serious problem with the essayist's focus on the word "controlled". There has never been, nor ever will be a completely controlled experiment. By definition the only point at which we can have a completely controlled experiment is after we have completely understood all of the possible factors that might affect a particular measurement. But in that case there would be no reason to run the experiment.

I also think the use of the word "science" is misleading. It would be better to use the term "scientific method". Using the word "science" feeds into the idea that "science" is some sort of mystery cult led by mystical geniuses who have access to special knowledge. "Scientific method", on the other hand, emphasizes that what good scientists do is follow a specific methodology to develop equations that will help us predict the future behavior of systems within a reasonable set of limits.

What distinguishes the scientific method from other methods is not that the experiments are controlled, but that when an experiment occurs all of the important factors are well understood. This allows scientists to look at ancient geographic formations and come to scientific conclusions about how those geographic formations arose without having to construct "controlled" mountain building or seismic fault simulating experiments.

Too much silliness is launched at the theory of evolution because it supposedly can't be tested, e.g. we can't breed a race of dinosaurs, hurl a meteor into Earth, and see if they all die after a period of time.

Einstein's theories were proven in part by waiting for a particular astronomical event to occur. This event was not created or controlled by any scientist. What the scientists had was a complete understanding of all of the important factors that might affect their observations. The observations they then made lined up more closely to Einstein's predictions than Newton's.

I agree with the essayist that science is not a search for the truth. It can't be. Philosophers haven't proven much, but everyone agrees that they have clearly shown that no certain truths can come from empirical observations no matter how much clever math and logic follows. Anything that starts with empirical observation can only have about it a tentative possibility of being true.

There's a YouTube video where four different physicists discuss their different takes on the quantum mechanical "measurement problem". Although they disagree about how to resolve the problem, they all agree that science has nothing to say about what "is", but only about what changes might occur at some time 't' in the future given a well-specified initial state and a fully fleshed out hypothesis.

I'm also not a big fan of folks who take a dig into Aristotle. He was a big fan of empirical observation which is not a minor point. Many of his observations on other philosophic topics have stood the test of time. He was also a big fan of the Socratic method where all theories were open to continuous questioning. Aristotle would have been the first one to question his own proto-scientific writings given the increasing amount of empirical evidence. It's not Aristotle's fault that generations of intelligentsia treated him like a god rather than as a colleague, i.e. the way Aristotle treated Plato.

9 posted on 09/19/2014 11:40:35 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Vince Ferrer

What a mouthful of nonsense.


10 posted on 09/19/2014 11:41:11 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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A Freeper kept insisting to me that Bill Nye is a scientist. There’s the problem in a nutshell.


15 posted on 09/20/2014 1:02:14 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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When people are stuck in an ideology hell bent on believing languages that, say, are meant to ignore or subhumanize private entreprise vs. Government, no amount of truth or science will be accepted if such result contradict the wishful ideology.

Global warming is a prime example of a concept fundamently driven by rigid ideology which will deny facts and science to the contrary.


16 posted on 09/20/2014 4:04:22 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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While it is a fact that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere leads, all else equal, to higher atmospheric temperatures,...

This is, in fact, false. Historical data over the past 400 000 years indicates that temperature leads carbon dioxide concentration, rather than the other way around.

There is no reasonable explanation how a rise in CO2 today can cause a rise in temperature 100 years ago.

20 posted on 09/20/2014 5:29:18 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well done!

And I just love this zinger:

...science advocate, cultural illiterate, mendacious anti-Catholic propagandist, and possible serial fabulist Neil DeGrasse Tyson....


21 posted on 09/20/2014 6:14:34 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Naming Aristotle as the first “proto-scientist” betrays the author’s lack of a classical education.

The first “proto-scientist” was (as far back as is recorded) was Imhotep, an Egyptian circa 2650-2600 BC.

Much of what Aristotle did was based on knowledge he gained from Pharonic Egypt, which was gained from the sea-people of western north Africa (or ancient Libya: everything west of the middle of the Nile Delta to the Atlantic sea coast {mostly a blue-eyed, blond people}).


24 posted on 09/20/2014 6:50:32 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Science For Smart People
25 posted on 09/20/2014 7:01:45 AM PDT by jdege
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No Science, No Logic and No Morality: Atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxz84kS8k4U

I agree with the author.

Our “Modern” culture has taken Science to mean Truth on the surface, and when they are challenged with contradictions they will shift into science being the process.

To think this issue is not ideologically driven would be foolish. Everybody, and I mean everybody has a bias.

The Left has co-opted “Reason” as their clarion call for a just world. It is a world that can’t exist using their own logic and leaves them only to “Embrace Uncertainty” as their only escape.

They are in fact, certain about everything being uncertain. In addition, they will fight anybody that is certain because to be certain is to be judgmental and that is unacceptable.


36 posted on 09/20/2014 2:41:41 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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"What distinguishes modern science from other forms of knowledge such as philosophy is that it explicitly forsakes abstract reasoning about the ultimate causes of things and instead tests empirical theories through controlled investigation."
The author gives no source for his definition and evidently has not studied in any depth the philosophy of science. And what are "empirical theories", if not a form of "abstract reasoning"? The statement seems self-refuting.

Way back in 1994 Stephen C. Meyer gave an account of the state of affairs of attempts to define demarcation criteria regarding what constitutes science and what does not:

As the philosopher of science Larry Laudan has shown, such contradictions have plagued the demarcation enterprise from its inception. As a result, most contemporary philosophers of science regard the question 'what distinguishes science from non-science' as both intractable and uninteresting. Instead, philosophers of science have increasingly realized that the real issue is not whether a theory is scientific, but whether a theory is true, or warranted by the evidence. As Laudan puts it, "If we could stand up on the side of reason, we ought to drop terms like 'pseudo-science'. . .they do only emotive work for us." As Martin Eger has summarized, "[d]emarcation arguments have collapsed. Philosophers of science don't hold them anymore. They may still enjoy acceptance in the popular world, but that's a different world."
The Use and Abuse of Philosophy of Science: Response to J.P. Moreland

46 posted on 09/23/2014 5:18:17 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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Well, there’s the kind of science only a diminutive portion of the human race understands, and then there’s the “Science” Liberals parade around to prove their collective intelligence while branding Republicans, Conservatives, & Christians stupid.


60 posted on 09/24/2014 1:30:44 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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F.A. Hayek wrote an excellent little book about the misuse of science: “The Counter-revolution of Science: studies on the abuse of Reason”


61 posted on 09/24/2014 1:43:49 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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The writer confuses ‘science’ with the ‘scientific method’.


64 posted on 09/24/2014 3:10:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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I would expect a better grasp on in the history of philosophy of science from an author named “Pascal”.


67 posted on 09/25/2014 12:59:22 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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