Posted on 09/13/2014 2:48:08 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
India learned the hard way with INS Vikramaditya
Like a lot of countries, India wants the best weapons it can afford. But ideological and financial concerns mean there are a lot of things it wont buy from the United States or Europe. That pretty much leaves, well, Russia.
India has been a big buyer of Russian weapons for 50 years. Those havent been easy years for New Delhi. Indias defense contracts with Russia have consistently suffered delays and cost overruns. And the resulting hardware doesnt always work.
Of all Indias Russian procurement woes, none speak more to the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries than the saga of INS Vikramaditya. In the early 2000s, India went shopping for a new aircraft carrier. What followed was a military-industrial nightmare.
Wantedone new(ish) carrier In 1988, the Soviet Union commissioned the aircraft carrier Baku. She and her four sisters of the Kiev class represented a unique Soviet design. The front third resembled a heavy cruiser, with 12 giant SS-N-12 anti-ship missiles, up to 192 surface-to-air missiles and two 100-millimeter deck guns. The remaining two-thirds of the ship was basically an aircraft carrier, with an angled flight deck and a hangar.
Baku briefly served in the Soviet navy until the USSR dissolved in 1991. Russia inherited the vessel, renamed her Admiral Gorshkov and kept her on the rolls of the new Russian navy until 1996. After a boiler room explosion, likely due to a lack of maintenance, Admiral Gorshkov went into mothballs.
In the early 2000s, India faced a dilemma. The Indian navys only carrier INS Viraat was set to retire in 2007. Carriers help India assert influence over the Indian Oceannot to mention, theyre status symbols. New Delhi needed to replace Viraat, and fast.
Indias options were limited. The only countries building carriers at the timethe United States, France and Italywere building ships too big for Indias checkbook. In 2004, India and Russia struck a deal in which India would receive Admiral Gorshkov. The ship herself would be free, but India would pay $974 million dollars to Russia to upgrade her.
It was an ambitious project. At 44,500 tons, Admiral Gorshkov was a huge ship. Already more than a decade old, she had spent eight years languishing in mothballs. Indifference and Russias harsh winters are unkind to idle ships.
Russia would transform the vessel from a helicopter carrier with a partial flight deck to an aircraft carrier with a launch ramp and a flight deck just over 900 feet long. She would be capable of supporting 24 MiG-29K fighters and up to 10 Kamov helicopters.
She would have new radars, new boilers for propulsion, new arrester wires for catching landing aircraft and new deck elevators. All 2,700 rooms and compartmentsspread out over 22 deckswould be refurbished and new wiring would be laid throughout the ship. The new carrier would be named Vikramaditya, after an ancient Indian king.
A real aircraft carrier for less than a billion dollars sounds almost too good to be true. And it was.
Shakedown In 2007, just a year before delivery, it became clear that Russias Sevmash shipyard couldnt meet the ambitious deadline. Even worse, the yard demanded more than twice as much money$2.9 billion in totalto complete the job.
The cost of sea trials alone, originally $27 million, ballooned to a fantastic $550 million.
A year later, with the project still in disarray, Sevmash estimated the carrier to be only 49-percent complete. Even more galling, one Sevmash executive suggested that India should pay an additional $2 billion, citing a market price of a brand-new carrier at between $3 billion and $4 billion.
For its part, Sevmash claimed that the job was proving much more complicated than anyone had ever imagined. Nobody had tried converting a ship into an aircraft carrier since World War II. Sevmash specialized in submarine construction and had never worked on an aircraft carrier before. The ship had been originally built at the Nikolayev Shipyards, which after the breakup of the Soviet Union became part of the Ukraine. The tooling and specialized equipment used to build Admiral Gorshkov was thousands of miles away and now in a foreign country.
Like many contractors, defense or otherwise, Sevmash had its unhappy employer over a barrel. With the job halfway done, and having already dropped $974 million, India could not afford to walk away from the deal. Russia knew it, and was blunt about Indias options. If India does not pay up, we will keep the aircraft carrier, one defense ministry official told RIA-Novosti.
There will be grave consequences By 2009, the project was deadlocked and word was starting to get around the defense industry. Russian arms exports for 2009 totaled $8 billion, and Sevmashs delays and extortionary tactics werent good for the Russian defense industry as a whole.
In July 2009, Russias then-president Dmitri Medvedev made a high-profile visit to the Sevmash shipyard. Indian news reported that the carrier was still half-done, meaning that the yard had done virtually no work on the ship for two years as it held out for more money.
Medvedev publicly scolded Sevmash officials. You need to complete [Vikramaditya] and hand it over our partners, the visibly irritated president told Sevmash general director Nikolai Kalistratov.
Otherwise, he added, there will be grave consequences. In 2010, the Indian government agreed to more than double the budget for the carrier to $2.2 billion. This was less than the $2.9 billion Sevmash demanded, and much less than Sevmashs suggested market price of $4 billion.
Suddenly, Sevmash magically started working harderactually, twice as hardand finished the other half of the upgrades in only three years. Vikramaditya finally entered sea trials in August 2012 and commissioned into the Indian navy in November 2013.
At the commissioning ceremony, Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony expressed relief that the ordeal was over, telling the press that there was a time when we thought we would never get her.
Enduring woes Now that Vikramaditya is finally in service, Indias problems are over, right? Not by a long shot. Incredibly, India has chosen Sevmash to do out-of-warranty work on the ship for the next 20 years.
Keeping Vikramaditya supplied with spare parts will be a major task in itself. Ten Indian contractors helped to build the carrier, but so did more than 200 other contractors in Russia, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Finland, France, Norway, Poland, Sweden and the U.K. Some countries, particularly Japan, were likely unaware they were exporting parts for a foreign weapons system.
The ships boilers, which provide Vikramaditya with power and propulsion, are a long-term concern. All eight boilers are new. But yard workers discovered defects in them. During her trip from Russia to India, the flattop suffered a boiler breakdown, which Sevmash chalked up to poor-quality Chinese firebricks.
China denied ever exporting the firebricks.
Finally, Vikramaditya lacks active air defenses. The ship has chaff and flare systems to lure away anti-ship missiles, but she doesnt have any close-in weapons systems like the American Phalanx.
India could install local versions of the Russian AK-630 gun system, but missiles will have to wait until the ship is in drydock againand that could be up to three years from now. In the meantime, Vikramaditya will have to rely on the new Indian air-defense destroyer INS Kolkata for protection from aircraft and missiles.
As for Sevmash? After the Vikramaditya fiasco, the yard is strangely upbeat about building more carriers and has identified Brazil as a possible buyer. Sevmash wants to build aircraft carriers, said Sergey Novoselov, the yards deputy general director.
That almost sounds like a threat.
You are correct but that thought might have escaped designers. Another possibility is that damage control considerations were included but removed to get within the budget
“Munir Redfa defected from Iraq to Israel with his MIG-21 in 1966. When westerner military techs finally got a look at the plane they couldnt believe that the plane was riveted together. The seams in the skin of the plane were not even flush.”
And it used vacuum tubes!!! What a bunch of backward neanderthals, using vacuum tubes!!!
...and then they realized that our planes would drop out of the sky with an EMP and their planes would hum right along, unabated.
Quantity has a quality all it’s own. Or something like that. Throw masses of men and materiel at the enemy. So what if a lot of them get slaughtered.
They should have had the Poles refurbish the thing at the Gdansk shipyard. Would have gotten a better product and on time.
The thing I’ve found, is that you get the same workmanship from the same people regardless of budget. A good welder can do good cheap work. A bad welder will always do bad work regardless of budget.
You have to have a culture of quality to have any chance of it. The Swiss and Germans didn’t luck into their quality build and design. Russians have always made poorly toleranced semi-functional products. Sometimes that worked in their favor... Other times the rocket explodes on the launchpad.
Their aircraft manufacturing isn’t any better. If you go to the USAF museum in Dayton, OH, they have an F-16 sitting next to a MiG 29. The quality of manufacturing and workmanship is starkly different. The MiG looks like crap sitting next to the F-16. In fact, the MiG they have on display looks like crap compared to a German Me 162 Komet that was also on display (and was built in 1944 while being carpet bombed)
Russians and communists and Asians fight like that. Always have.
So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?
The Sherman tank philosophy.
“So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?”
The Soviet tubes back then CLEARLY WERE superior compared to our electronics, and every expert agreed.
What Clancey knew and to anyone with above 85 IQ can see is that NO Russian (now or USSR) arms are seriously intended for “military” near-equal combat per se, rather its intent and effectiveness is toward civilian or non-sophisticated Countries defense’s.
The Russian culture seems to be inept at producing or could care less about quality.
Inductors do a hell of a lot better than microelectronics in an EMP, even first graders know that.
You have problem?
In the end, does it matter? So we win a war (maybe) and 90% of our people starve, because all the “experts” thought it was only the Art Bell crowd that believed EMPs were real...
Great post, thanks.
Well, the references to money were not made to the workmanship or the skills of the craftsmen but to design elements like water tight doors and cable ways. After being told to cut the costs, designers all over find ways to alter the design and specifications to obtain the cuts.
Yea, but the welding job and handiwork has no excuse. For the money they paid, the workers should have taken some level of pride.
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