Whatever You Do, Don’t Buy Your Aircraft Carrier From Russia

War is Boring ^ | 12 September 2014 | Kyle Mizokami

[bert]

You are correct but that thought might have escaped designers. Another possibility is that damage control considerations were included but removed to get within the budget

[BobL]

“Munir Redfa defected from Iraq to Israel with his MIG-21 in 1966. When westerner military techs finally got a look at the plane they couldn’t believe that the plane was riveted together. The seams in the skin of the plane were not even flush.”

And it used vacuum tubes!!! What a bunch of backward neanderthals, using vacuum tubes!!!

...and then they realized that our planes would drop out of the sky with an EMP and their planes would hum right along, unabated.

[AFreeBird]

Quantity has a quality all it’s own. Or something like that. Throw masses of men and materiel at the enemy. So what if a lot of them get slaughtered.

[Jimmy Valentine]

They should have had the Poles refurbish the thing at the Gdansk shipyard. Would have gotten a better product and on time.

[Bogey78O]

The thing I’ve found, is that you get the same workmanship from the same people regardless of budget. A good welder can do good cheap work. A bad welder will always do bad work regardless of budget.

You have to have a culture of quality to have any chance of it. The Swiss and Germans didn’t luck into their quality build and design. Russians have always made poorly toleranced semi-functional products. Sometimes that worked in their favor... Other times the rocket explodes on the launchpad.

[Thermalseeker]

Their aircraft manufacturing isn’t any better. If you go to the USAF museum in Dayton, OH, they have an F-16 sitting next to a MiG 29. The quality of manufacturing and workmanship is starkly different. The MiG looks like crap sitting next to the F-16. In fact, the MiG they have on display looks like crap compared to a German Me 162 Komet that was also on display (and was built in 1944 while being carpet bombed)

[arthurus]

Russians and communists and Asians fight like that. Always have.

[mad_as_he$$]

So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?

[DeaconBenjamin]

Quantity has a quality all it’s own.

The Sherman tank philosophy.

[BobL]

“So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?”

The Soviet tubes back then CLEARLY WERE superior compared to our electronics, and every expert agreed.

[X-spurt]

What Clancey knew and to anyone with above 85 IQ can see is that NO Russian (now or USSR) arms are seriously intended for “military” near-equal combat per se, rather its intent and effectiveness is toward civilian or non-sophisticated Countries defense’s.

The Russian culture seems to be inept at producing or could care less about quality.

[mad_as_he$$]

Every vacuum tube system in existence then or now has inductors of some kind. While tubes may survive an EMP event inductor most likely will not, unless hardened. Understanding of EMP was in it's infancy then. Bottom line even US tube system suffered damage in the H-bomb tests.

[BobL]

Inductors do a hell of a lot better than microelectronics in an EMP, even first graders know that.

[mad_as_he$$]

Depends on the design and use. Current military electronics are hardened against EMP to a very high level. Stuff even a few years old not so much. Depends on the power and proximity to the event. The computer you a working on not so much. Of course a tube system made to copy the functions of it would be the size of Rhode island and consume half the power in the US and still wouldn't(couldn't) be hardened. BTW your position on inductor durability is refuted by the Starfish test where street lights in Hawaii were taken out by one of the tests. Guess what the all had in common? They had similar alignment to the blast and all had transformers (ballasts).

[McGruff]

You have problem?

[BobL]

In the end, does it matter? So we win a war (maybe) and 90% of our people starve, because all the “experts” thought it was only the Art Bell crowd that believed EMPs were real...

[ansel12]

Great post, thanks.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

It seems that the only factor making Russia a current threat is the fact they have "The Bomb" and possibly the means to deliver it. What a bunch of manufacturing and assembling clowns. I went to their trade show many years ago(Breznev was president) and their displayed shotgun barrels were not even deburred at the barrel opening, the stock displayed gouges that had been poorly repaired. I drew the conclusion at that time they did not have the manufacturing ability to take us on.

[bert]

Well, the references to money were not made to the workmanship or the skills of the craftsmen but to design elements like water tight doors and cable ways. After being told to cut the costs, designers all over find ways to alter the design and specifications to obtain the cuts.

[Bogey78O]

Yea, but the welding job and handiwork has no excuse. For the money they paid, the workers should have taken some level of pride.