Posted on 09/03/2014 1:21:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf
Edited on 09/03/2014 6:47:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Pointing out the bad guy won is pointing out a fact of life.
Don’t blame me for Obama’s lack of red lines.
Getting erection at the same time is a different pair of shoes...
Editor’s note: According to a readout from the Kremlin of a telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, the 2 leaders ‘expressed to a large extent similar views on possible ways out of the crisis’ between the countries. - Aaron
It gives us the chance to revisit history and change the outcome. Let's say Chanberlain comes back and declare peace in Europe in his time. The first thing we can do ratchet up the ridicule. This is the best weapon the Alinskyites have, and we have to use it too. There are far too few pictures of Obama clutching the shirtless Putin on horseback, perhaps because of the painful reminder of the man in the picture. I'm sure there were some cartoons of Chamberlain kissing up to Hitler back in the day, but too few as it turns out.
More important than ridicule, we have to defeat the defeatists. I am one of those or certainly I was, so you can start by convincing me. What does not convince me, an average American, is Ukrainian web sites written in broken English yammering about the Fascists. We can certainly do better than that. Rather than unbaked plans for arming the Ukrainians, I would like to see real strategies.
I would like to know how we team up with the right in Europe. We need to support UKIP and shun BNP for example. It was pointed out to me that Putin supports the anti-Semitic party in Hungary. Fine, now tell me how to develop a popular anti-Putin party in Hungary. I assume the Euro-socialist elite are pro-Putin.
As an aside, I would also like to know how to stop the Muslim takeover of Europe. To simply claim Putin is part of a Muslim alliance of evil is quite naive and ahistorical.
I do believe the charter of FreeRepublic is that this is a pro-US, Judeao/Christian, conservative site. So get a grip. Try to understand the values of the site and avoid asking me to go AWOL.
With the cease fire declared in Ukraine, bert’s analysis might just be proving to be accurate.
By creating a hassle in Ukraine, Putin set up a win win fork gambit. Obama and the EU leaders will take credit for the sanctions and harsh words driving Vlad away from the Ukraine.
Mean while, lost in the shuffle, Vlad maintains total control over the Crimea. Crimea was Vlad’s real objective.
Thus there is a win win situation. The hapless Obama and the leaders in the EU can claim victory over the Russian. The Russian can keep smugly quiet as he tucks Crimea back under the skirts of Mother Russia.
It has been said that Putin is a chessmaster while poor ol’ Barack has strategy trouble at the checker board. It turns out to be true, to mix a metaphor, in spades.
The IMF said yesterday that Ukraine would need another $19 Billion injection, on top of the money already received, to survive if the war continues.
Ironically, that just happens to be nearly equal to the amount of Ukrainian Gold carried away to the New York Bank vaults after the coup.
COINKYDINK???
“Don’t blame me for Obama’s lack of red lines.”
Obama used up all of the Red-line paint in Syria.
Tweet from BBC’s Steve Rosenberg:
On his website, 1 word has disappeared from Poroshenko’s statement about a “permanent ceasefire” ...and it’s the word “permanent”
We should call this “Schrodinger’s Ceasefire”
This ceasefire is either alive or dead.
Or alive and dead.
Roland Oliphant, UK Telegraph
Now Poroshenko’s statement amended from “permanent ceasefire” to “ceasefire regime.”
So I guess they might all start shooting again.”
https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant
From the NYTimes:
Ukraine Retracts Announcement of Cease-Fire With Russia
“The office of President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine said Wednesday that he and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had a similar understanding about what was needed to achieve a cease-fire in southeastern Ukraine, but it retracted a statement it had made earlier in the day that said the two men had agreed to a “lasting cease-fire.”
The initial statement, posted on the presidential website, went too far in describing the results of a telephone call between the two leaders as having reached a cease-fire, said a spokesman, noting that a revised version would be posted shortly.”
So, who called Poroshenko after the announcement?
Paruiby?
Or US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt?
Right-wingers are probably ignoring Poroshenko.
As expected......
Well that doesn't really surprise me. He's about as trustworthy as Obama. Maybe somebody told him he could be tried for war crimes if this ended.
as i said earlier, Putin has headfaked them into announcing a ceasefire, they went ahead and stupidly announced it and Putin is now going, I have no clue what you are talking about......stuck them right in the ditch looking like idiots.
The guy is running rings round them like chickens with no heads and before the usual squad squeal about being pro putin, if fail to see this guy has them all chasing each others tails then frankly you are thicker than i thought.
A brief statement released by the office of Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday said that “mutual understanding was reached regarding the steps that will contribute to the establishment of peace.”
Initially, the statement said that there was “agreement on a permanent cease-fire in the Donbass” with Russia, but it was later revised to say “agreement on a cease-fire regime.”
Sounds clintonesque.
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