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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That trend accelerated after several high-profile incidents where officers were simply outgunned by criminals, the most infamous being a 1997 shoot-out at a North Hollywood bank in which the robbers were toting automatic weapons and wearing body armor. “

Uhn, huh.

And how many incidents like that have occurred in the nearly 20 years hence?

BTW, the cops sucked at shooting, which is why they were outgunned.

Sure, they should have had an AR and a .30 + Caliber in the fight but, their tactics sucked, their aim sucked, etc.

Shoot any idiot in the head with a .308 or .338 and the fight is over.

Don’t matter if they have a helmet on. They will hit the ground hard and hear nothing but bells and then you can unload a mag in them, at will.

And don’t give me this B.S. about shooting under attack.

Those morons were pretty much out in the open and ripe for shootin dead.

The problem now is the pendulum has swung the other way with every Joe Jock acting out their Geardiot dreams on the simplest of crimes and many times they don’t do enough intel to determine if their actual target is in the building.

Witness blowing hole in the chest of a baby.

Wouldn’t have happened if the law wasn’t looking for “So and So?”.

Really? That’s your piss poor excuse for not ascertaining if your target was actually in the building, much less taking care to see your bomb was thrown in a safe manner that didn’t cause injury, yet gave you the element of surprise?

You Roid heads will use any excuse to justify your mediocre work and treating Americans as war hostiles.

You are starting to look like the enemy and sadly I once wanted to be one of you.

I do my best to give my props, as you truly do have a difficult job but, this ain’t Fallujah and you should exert force where appropriate, not just because you “Have officer safety” as your paramount priority.


8 posted on 08/22/2014 10:31:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Excellent Post!!
Beyond what you have said, take a good look at retired LEOs. They have such a twisted view of life and people that they are almost like a dog trained for war. They don’t have many friends who are not other LEOs for the most part and they still view anyone who is not a cop or a retired cop with abject suspicion. We tried to have a continuing social relationship with a friend of my wife’s when she married a retired local senior LE “official.” It turned out to be a bridge too far!


15 posted on 08/22/2014 10:53:59 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Vendome

Bravo,Vendome.Nicely said.


33 posted on 08/23/2014 1:24:11 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Vendome
This trend is troubling to pretty much all the retired LEOs I know. In my daily life for real, I regard official uniformed cops as dubious allies at best until proven friends, and at worst dangerous power-lust adolescents with the force of sympathetic courts. Too many cops get away with flat murder. If not for friends I've made in AmGnCltr or AGC, I would assume even worse behind 80 percent of badges.

I've also seen situations where literally, good cops change lives and life-paths for the better in people. A good cop is worth his weight in gold, God bless and hold every one of them.

37 posted on 08/23/2014 1:58:17 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Vendome
That's a great post.

You are starting to look like the enemy and sadly I once wanted to be one of you.

I hear you there. When I got out of the Marines, I tested for Savannah PD and GA State Patrol, and actually interviewed with Statesboro PD. Kinda glad these days I didn't go in that direction.

48 posted on 08/23/2014 3:23:27 AM PDT by real saxophonist (More Cowbell)
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To: Vendome
And how many incidents like that have occurred in the nearly 20 years hence?

None, which is why they have to keep referring to an incident from over 20 years ago.

When was the last time you heard of a SWAT team taking down a heavily armed gang? How often do you hear of a SWAT raid as ANYTHING BUT a raid on a single individual who's asleep at the time?

64 posted on 08/23/2014 4:43:31 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Vendome

Excellent rant Vendie!


76 posted on 08/23/2014 7:14:57 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (quod est Latine morositate)
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To: Vendome

“Don’t matter if they have a helmet on. They will hit the ground hard and hear nothing but bells and then you can unload a mag in them, at will.”

In that particular case the robbers didnt even have helmets so a decent shot with a 22 LR could have ended it fairly quickly. The problem was the cops were too busy hiding behind their cars to shoot back effectively. I also read a report that none of the female officers present even fired their weapons.


78 posted on 08/23/2014 8:19:24 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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