These guys aren't claiming that Kiev is lying about losses.<<<<
Actually, they do. If you fast forward to 7:10 mark you can hear it by yourself. And anybody else can hear what you say is not true. Quote: Many casualties? They (Kiev) say 5, IN REALITY IT IS 50...They(Kiev) say 3, IN REALITY IT IS 30...And it's always like that" (end quote)
So, as anyone can attest, your problem is not the lack of manners, nor the fact you accuse others of your own character shortcoming (being a liar).
Your problem is being a stupid liar that is easily exposed as such. But don't despair. Many who support Kiev goons are no better.
And an advice: when you are messing with a Freeper with experience, you'll be smoked out. You are on the wrong forum.
Russkies always try to pretend to be normal human beings. You are not a Freeper, nor a human being. You are a Russkie, and very likely an anti-semite (judging from your links), and definitely a NWO-conspiracy nut. And I'll keep exposing you as such every chance I get.
You got me there. I didn't watch the whole video, but only up to the Russian bombardment parts, because I was too eager to reply to you. I will have to remember to keep my head cool when dealing with you psycopaths, since you will grab at anything you can get, since you have so little. But listening to that section, your "rag tag militia" are killing people using Grads being shot from across the border, which they are quite clear about many times.
Thus your little victory here only makes your denial of Russian involvement, and your accusation that these people are making it up about being shot at by Russian army, quite absurd, since you want us to believe that Kiev systematically is denying how badly they are losing by citing these soldiers, while at the same time claimining that they are losing to a "rag tag militia", as you put it, by refusing to cite the same soldiers.
As to the question of Grad attacks and Russian military invading, no one at this point can seriously deny this, unless they are Russian. We have videos and photographs of them firing, as well as satellite photographs of the same, as well as even where they are landing. For example:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html
These are likely the same ones that were shooting at the 72nd for the three weeks they were surrounded back in July and early August.
Keep it up Russkie, spread your lies across the forum wanting people to believe that Russia isn't involved. But it is quite clear that these are Russian troops, weapons, tanks, and missiles, and it is also clear that the Ukrainian army, whatever their losses, are closing in on your buddies.