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Horowitz: On Ferguson, Libertarians Playing With Fire
Breitbart.com ^ | August 18, 2014 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 08/18/2014 3:58:32 AM PDT by Biggirl

As Congress remains in a protracted recess for another three weeks and the political news recedes from the headlines, it didn’t take long for the nonpolitical event surrounding the unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, to become political. After all, everything in this day and age is ultimately politicized.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: danielhorowitz; ferguson; riots
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To: FreedomPoster

I do not wear chains of BISMIRCHING others who are good and decent and do not abuse their lawful authority.

I am for WEEDING OUT the ROUGES, PERIOD, end of story.


21 posted on 08/18/2014 6:31:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: myself6

BINGO! We have a WINNER!


22 posted on 08/18/2014 6:32:35 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I’m pretty sure I had heard McDonalds wanted the reporters to leave and they refused. McDonalds called the police.


23 posted on 08/18/2014 6:35:19 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

Most likely.


24 posted on 08/18/2014 6:36:28 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: myself6

“I think we need a LOT less police and alot more armed citizens.”

What if those armed citizens are the thugs? Snitches get stitches and all that? Which do you trust to provide a safe environment for cities?


25 posted on 08/18/2014 6:38:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: All

It is looking more and more that the libertarians have really stepped into it bigtime.


26 posted on 08/18/2014 6:39:34 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

There is a balance somewhere in the middle. I am alarmed at the militarization of our police and showing up to serve warrants with swat teams. Warrants are served on the suspicion that someone has committed a crime. Breaking down doors, tossing flash bang grenades in houses and shooting pets should have no part of serving warrants.

If there is an active shooter situation or a hostage situation, it is perfectly fine to break out the military style gear to keep the police officers safe.


27 posted on 08/18/2014 6:46:36 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

We give up the illusion of safety and make every last person “terrified” they are going to get shot in the face if they even think about robbing / punching / spitting on / etc... another citizen.

I trust myself to make a safe environment for myself and mine. I trust you to make it safe for you and yours... “collectively” everyone makes it safer for everyone else.. Crime will always be a part of life but the power will be divested with the citizens and not centralized in government guns who are at the whim of political agendas.


28 posted on 08/18/2014 6:47:29 AM PDT by myself6
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To: myself6

Now, do it in Ferguson.


29 posted on 08/18/2014 6:49:44 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Biggirl

So a journalist documenting police actions in a McDonalds is “abusing lawful authority” and a rogue in your weird little world? Got it.

The looters are wrong, and I’m all for application of Rule 308. But the cops can be wrong too, and were on the way they were treating journalists in the McDonalds.

And rouge is makeup, darlin’. Just for the record. I know it’s hard to do spelling when you’re all exciting and typing in all caps and such.


30 posted on 08/18/2014 6:53:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: listenhillary

Same here, I am getting worried about those police departments getting extra military equipment bigtime. But also do not want to see a repeat of what was called de-policing like back in the 90’s.

A balance needs to be realized.


31 posted on 08/18/2014 6:54:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: listenhillary

Not talking about ferguson.

Im talking about the environment that leads up to a “ferguson” or even a “Waco”...

Ferguson can either be allowed to burn itself out or it can be shut down with overwhelming military force. Great choices that our current design has provided the citizens of that area...


32 posted on 08/18/2014 6:58:33 AM PDT by myself6
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To: FreedomPoster

Comment from
http://politix.topix.com/story/13622-two-reporters-were-arrested-and-assaulted-by-ferguson-police

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I am curious as to what the rest of the story is. I viewed the video, the officer was firm but subdued. He kept telling the reporter, “ Let’s go, let’s go.” The McDonald’s manager stood by calm, arms folded, observing. But he did not seem surprised or fearful. The reporter stated that several reporters had been using the McDonald’s for a “staging area,” using their electricity and WiFi. The restaurant is two blocks from the action so begs the question, “Did McDonald’s management ask police to remove the reporters?” The charges WERE trespassing. Why would police leave the riot zone to arrest the reporters? I am not saying this is the case, but it is certainly a consideration. The reporters claim they were “assaulted,” but neither reported any injuries. Generally if cops assault you, they hurt you. The “favor” was no formal charges. And resisting arrest can include passive resistance, eg. slow compliance. Cops in parallel military gear; there IS a riot going on.
Just an observation.


33 posted on 08/18/2014 7:00:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: myself6

.....And with the MO NG having been called up, this is not going to end well.


34 posted on 08/18/2014 7:01:33 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: listenhillary

Thank-you for the posting.


35 posted on 08/18/2014 7:07:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
In case you missed it, here is what the author had to say:

"Conservatives are certainly in agreement with libertarians on many issues and share their concerns about over-criminalization of some dubious non-violent crimes or overzealous use of police to collect speeding tickets to purvey the welfare state. There is a valid general concern about the over-militarization of police forces, and there is certainly no need for such para-military arms of bureaucracies like the Bureau of Land Management and the Department of Education."

"Indeed, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) struck the perfect pitch, encapsulating everyone’s concerns: "Police officers risk their lives every day to keep us safe, and any time a young man loses his life in a confrontation with law enforcement, it is tragic... Civil liberties must be protected, but violence is not the answer. Once the unrest is brought to an end, we should examine carefully what happened to ensure that justice is served."

There is so much common ground between conservatives and libertarians (and even liberals). We can craft legislation to clearly regulate the use of military tactics and weapons. We can work on sentencing reform for some non-violent crimes."

36 posted on 08/18/2014 7:12:19 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Either on this or another thread, I did point out what Sen. Ted Cruz had to say.


37 posted on 08/18/2014 7:13:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Our police are becoming more like the military and vice-versa.
Interesting.


38 posted on 08/18/2014 7:20:36 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: listenhillary; Biggirl
"I'm pretty sure I heard McDonalds wanted the reporters to leave and they refused. McDonalds called the police."

I've noticed that some freepers have said that in thread replies, but I never read anything to indicate that.

If that were the case, the LEO would have said so during the arrest, but he doesn't.

There is this article in which the McD mgr Keith Eyer talks about the arrest but he says nothing about asking the reporters to leave or calling the police

39 posted on 08/18/2014 7:36:10 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: listenhillary

Need an FOIA on a complaint originating from McD’s, then.


40 posted on 08/18/2014 7:42:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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