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Some evangelicals in Republican Party are feeling left out, see no standard-bearer
Wasington Post ^ | Aug 16, 2014 | Sebastian Payne

Posted on 08/16/2014 8:04:56 PM PDT by Innovative

Many social conservatives say they feel politically isolated as the country seems to be hurtling to the left, with marijuana now legal in Colorado and gay marriage gaining ground across the nation. They feel out of place in a GOP increasingly dominated by tea party activists and libertarians who prefer to focus on taxes and the role of government and often disagree with social conservatives on drugs or gay rights.

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KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; christianvote; conservatives; evangelicals; republicans; teaparty
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To: PapaBear3625

I liked Ted Cruz, I don’t know what the headline is about


21 posted on 08/17/2014 10:35:38 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: PapaBear3625

A lot of times these leftist groups, like the eco-nuts, file a suit against the government and the bureaucrats settle or lose on purpose, $$$$ another way the government funds the left. Not just grants.


22 posted on 08/17/2014 10:37:21 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: PapaBear3625

Agreed. And I think you’ll find the overwhelming majority of socons are also fiscally conservative.

But fiscally conservative but socially liberal people are called Libertarians, not conservatives.


23 posted on 08/17/2014 11:28:45 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
But fiscally conservative but socially liberal people are called Libertarians, not conservatives.

They are living in a world of make believe if they think it is possible for a socially liberal society to be fiscally conservative.....Someone else ALWAYS has to pay for others' irresponsibility.

24 posted on 08/17/2014 11:31:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; Colonel_Flagg
They are living in a world of make believe if they think it is possible for a socially liberal society to be fiscally conservative.....Someone else ALWAYS has to pay for others' irresponsibility.

Fiscal conservatism leads to social conservatism.

If you REFUSE to fund irresponsibility, by de-funding the welfare state, young women discover that having kids out of wedlock makes it very hard to survive (something our ancestors knew well, which is WHY marriage was made into a social institution). What the Welfare State did was to fund irresponsibility, and thus make socially destructive behaviors viable.

If women suddenly need a husband, a STABLE husband with a decent job, to make it through life, they are more likely to get married.

If men suddenly discover that they need to be stable and employed in order to get laid, then they will strive to become employable. Including actually paying attention in school, and staying out of trouble, in order to avoid a criminal record which might hamper their employment prospects.

If mothers suddenly discover that Uncle Sugar won't be there, and they may need to depend on their kids to help them in their old age, then they will pay more attention to raising their kids well.

Social conservatism flows naturally from fiscal conservatism, once fiscal conservatism is allowed to cut government programs which enabled bad behavior. Attempts to impose social conservatism on a society which funds irresponsibility is doomed to fail.

25 posted on 08/17/2014 11:51:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GeronL
I liked Ted Cruz, I don’t know what the headline is about

The press is trying to ignore the existence of Ted Cruz.

26 posted on 08/17/2014 11:56:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Who said anything about an attempt to impose? What I’m saying is that conservatism flows from the social.

The Libertarian argument has always been, as you note, that fiscal policy should drive social change. But the kind of change many Libertarians support does not mesh with socially conservative principles.

As such, “do it my way and your way will come later” doesn’t appeal. Social conservatism first. Everything else flows from it.


27 posted on 08/17/2014 12:01:22 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Who said anything about an attempt to impose? What I’m saying is that conservatism flows from the social.

Cool. One of the big problems in our society is the persistent underclass. You have women having kids out of wedlock. Their sons engage in crime, because being perceived as tough and having cash gets them laid.

My solution, as detailed in my prior post, is to remove the government-funded financial underpinnings that enable the life style.

What is your plan?

28 posted on 08/17/2014 12:10:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Innovative

GOP how about paying attention to one issue:

BRING BACK JOBS TO AMERICA.

Stop all of this other stuff. What matters to America is our economy. Nobody is looking out for the American economy right now.

Nobody.

Democrats have all sent jobs to China. The GOP has all sent jobs to China.

Everyone is sending American jobs overseas, and have been doing now for nearly 5 administrations.

EVERYONE.

Someone needs to reverse this, and to bring back American jobs.

I really, really, really hope that party is the GOP.

Wake the heck up GOP. Americans need jobs.

Jobs.


29 posted on 08/17/2014 12:13:55 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: itsahoot
For the millionth time: SOCIAL CONSERVATISM IS FISCAL CONSERVATISM.

Let's say the Dems and Repubs propose a "grand compromise" Constitutional amendment: It will outlaw abortion and porn, in exchange for a major expansion of the welfare state.

Do you support or oppose it?

I've posed similar questions over the years. Generally, SoCons refuse to answer. My answer: oppose.

30 posted on 08/17/2014 12:19:56 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
GOP how about paying attention to one issue: BRING BACK JOBS TO AMERICA.

You keep saying this, without a plan.

Here's my fiscally-conservative plan: de-fund OSHA, NLRB. Gut EPA (state EPAs can handle things, balancing environment versus the desire to attract employers). Cut corporate taxes. Remove the federal regs that make it unattractive to run a company in the US.

What's your plan. Stop spamming with platitudes. WHAT is your PLAN?

31 posted on 08/17/2014 12:24:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Innovative

If there is no voter ID, then why bother voting? I don’t want to vote against felons, non citizens, dead democrats, or democrats who get multiple votes. If the Republicans can’t even make that point and always cave to the race card, why support them?


32 posted on 08/17/2014 12:28:38 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Innovative
I personally happen to understand and agree with this article. I find it spot on and illuminating to say the least from my perspective. In my esteemed opinion the evangelical wing or rather its core base of the Republican party has long tired of all the lies, deceit and viscous maligning of Christians by the mainstream Republican party. They, I believe like myself, are more than fed up with the GOPe and their cronies for just wanting to feed us manure and keep us in the dark like one does mushrooms.

I for one say if the elites can't see the social Christians of the expansive base as an equal partner then the heck with the Republican party. They cannot win any Presidential election without us so quit treating us like bastard step children. Others like myself I can easily vote for the third guy on the ticket and bypass the two top parties as I have done for several years now. So go ahead RINO's keep doing it your way but get used to being out of power for some time to come.

33 posted on 08/17/2014 1:40:44 PM PDT by Ron H. (Are you ready for His return! Are you prepared?)
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To: denydenydeny
For the millionth time: FISCAL CONSERVATISM IS SOCIAL CONSERVATISM.

Huh?! What tripe.

34 posted on 08/17/2014 1:42:38 PM PDT by Ron H. (Are you ready for His return! Are you prepared?)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Agreed. And I think you’ll find the overwhelming majority of socons are also fiscally conservative.

But fiscally conservative but socially liberal people are called Libertarians, not conservatives.

Agreed.

35 posted on 08/17/2014 1:47:33 PM PDT by Ron H. (Are you ready for His return! Are you prepared?)
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To: DaxtonBrown

We need to stay UNITED this year and in 2016, but I doubt we will. I hope I’m wrong.


36 posted on 08/17/2014 5:50:38 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Ron H.

Is God telling you to support the Democrats?


37 posted on 08/17/2014 7:25:19 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: PapaBear3625
Do you support or oppose it?

Oppose.

A little evil grows and grows and grows. Which is how we got where we are.

Moral delemas do not make your position stronger.

38 posted on 08/17/2014 9:11:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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