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All they have to do is to possess your phone number and call your stupid phone. The tower pings will do the rest. Not that I want to insult the phone by calling it stupid, as it is usually the operator who is.

That is the most hilarious thing I've read in a long time. Do you even have a clue what "aggregate data" is? Apparently not, and you call ME a "fool"???? Always with the name calling.

On the contrary, let ME educate YOU, since you have AGAIN demonstrated in an as insulting manner as possible.

An identifier IS a freaking PHONE NUMBER, or an IMEI, or an ICCID, it is ANYTHING at all, that identifies the phone or the sender. I told you that has been proved to be NOT INCLUDED with any location data being sent by the iPhone. They cannot reverse find it by calling your phone because the IDENTIFIER IS SIMPLY NOT ATTACHED!!! If it is not sent, it's not sent. Those searching would have to be sitting AT the right cell tower AT the right microsecond that particular cell phone just happened to connect to that cell tower to intercept the data from that number and IMEI and ICCID.

If you have someone's phone number, yes, you can call it and find the closest tower. . . or use the IMEI or ICCID number and find where it's located if its got a GPS. . . or if no GPS, the closest three towers it's using and then triangulate. That's possible with any cellular phone these days with location services turned on. On an iPhone, you can turn off location services.

I'm shouting because you seem deaf to actual facts preferring your version of reality. . . and you live in FANTASYLAND. . . and when anyone refuses to join you on your big-eared, up-and-down, Dumbo ride, you call them names.

You sir are a blinded moron who is so enamored with a product that you ignore all else, including the thread topic.

You are only here screwing with me because I defiled your worshipful servant, Mr. Apple...

The phone number you speak of is part of the personal data that your carrier and I would assume many other agencies, friends, acquaintances and family have. The information might very well be on their own phones and thus are part of the data that is collected by the State, from which they glean whatever information they need about you, should they desire to. All they have to do is match it up with the un-tagged data that they collect from other communications, with data they get from hacks, with data they get from legal state access.

In China, the government there, basically a authoritarian autocratic regime, requires this data on every person under it’s wings, including those who travel to and from China but it’s not exclusive to China anymore.

Many of these travelers use I-phones....or did, because the servers were not located in China.

Well now they are..

I keep having to drag you by the nads back to the topic of this thread, and that is Apple’s cooperation with the Chinese minders.

Believe me when I tell you that they would not have threatened apple with the banning of their devices if they had no use for that information that they can now access at their pleasure without a hack.

Their banning of certain Intel chips and chipsets is also related to this. The CCP wants root control over it’s devices and they will get it. So they are not yet done with Apple..

Much easier and less disruptive to brick devices then to shut down the networks when they need to control communications. Also much easier to monitor it’s people and those who enter the country, as well as those in the special administrative areas.

Apple just helped them out, thinking that they might lose business. As has Yahoo, others..

I really don’t care about apple, it’s not the point.

The point is the ever increasing and often forced cooperation between private communications companies, device makers, and the State. Whether in China or now the US.

Hope you don’t have a Facebook account...they have what is essentially warrantless access now.

We are now a official tyranny...we have progresses beyond the soft stuff. perhaps you should consider getting rid of the devices that betray you every day.

I have eliminated at least one....the smart phone.

So just who is the dummy here?

Dummy..

“On an iPhone, you can turn off location services”

You can do that on any phone, except for 911. But as I said, if you have the phone numbers or phone ID’s which are easily accessed by the Feds, you can ping the phone and get a near exact location in most cases..

If you have other intel like street addresses of home, friends and family, all you need is a general area..

Once you seize a phone, you can get into the cloud storage and contents. But you really only need to have the phone for a minute to transfer enough data to clone it and have you way with the data later on.

All this once required warrants but they can browse your stuff, and as long as they don’t try to use it in court, they don’t need a stinkin warrant.

The smart phone is akin to a little black book and worse...It holds data on not just you, but every friend and acquaintance you have had any exchanges with.

It is not secure. Certainly few if any devices in consumer land are.

So if you need security, you either don’t use them or you buy a device that is..One that essentially self destructs without a proper code because the manufacturer will tell them how to bypass a lock.. One that places all your e-mail and messaging on a secure server located off shore and controlled by people you trust. That’s just two of the primary needs for a secure smart phone.

Apple is not secure, nor are most Androids I have looked at. As I said Blackberry did have secure offshore servers for e-mail..and messaging..I don’t know if they still do.

I did have a Samsung that would go into a reset without a code, but it did not have the other things I wanted. I suppose I could order a Black Phone. But the cost seems too high for me, based on what I would use it for as I have retired.

Gone Galt....I’d say see ya later but I doubt it..