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Does George Soros Know Something We Don’t About The S&P 500?
Mrket Watch ^ | 8-16-2014 | Barbara Kollmeyer

Posted on 08/16/2014 6:18:24 AM PDT by blam

August 15, 2014
By Barbara Kollmeyer

Oh, goody. It’s 13F time, when mere mortals like us get to see how the big boys rolled the dice in the last quarter.

Among the highlights, Soros Fund Management increased a bear-call bet on the S&P 500 in a huge way. The fund lifted a put position — a bet the market will go lower — on the S&P 500 ETF SPY to its biggest size yet, in terms of value and portfolio percentage, making a 605% leap over the previous quarter.

Bullion Baron, who has long kept a beady eye on Soros’s SPY moves, has summed up the latest dealings. He speculated that this could be a hedge — or Soros is really worried about something. One possible something is China, which the hedge-fund titan referred to as a global uncertainty earlier in the year, notes the Baron.

Soros also lifted positions in Apple and Facebook and a portfolio loaded up with stocks, so he can’t possibly be all that gloomy. As for that China unease, WSJ’s MoneyBeat reports that China bears are entrenched and see stocks headed for a big fall. One strategist says it’s not good to see that stocks there have been rallying on both good and bad economic news.

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(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; investing; markets; sandp; soros; stockmarket
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1 posted on 08/16/2014 6:18:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Pigs get fat.
Hogs get slaughtered.


2 posted on 08/16/2014 6:24:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: blam

Think he knows that an economy that is built on borrowed and printed money eventually collapses.


3 posted on 08/16/2014 6:26:15 AM PDT by allendale
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To: blam

It might just be a hedge. After all, he’s got much more than the amount he’s short under management. Portfolio positioning has to be thought of in percentages.


5 posted on 08/16/2014 6:29:30 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: blam

Apparently he does. Pretty bit short position. Or, he forced some reporter to publish a lie. I believe the latter.


6 posted on 08/16/2014 6:43:09 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: blam

Why would George Soros allow any of the Muppets to have usable information. His reputation is being used to manage perspective.


7 posted on 08/16/2014 6:54:13 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Read Rick Edelman’s book. He loves the S & P500. Take the lump sum and put it there.


8 posted on 08/16/2014 6:55:32 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: blam

Remember how the UK was ridiculed for going against the US and EU model of bailing out banks and printing tons of money,but instead instituted austerity measures?

Our chattering classes said the Brits were foolish to do it their way. Now the US is still floundering, the EU countries are slowing down again, and the only economy really recovering is in the UK.

Perhaps we should have taken some bad tasting medicine immediately after the crash, instead of listening to the very people who caused the crash as they continued ladling out their bad advice.


9 posted on 08/16/2014 6:55:48 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Stentor
Why would George Soros allow any of the Muppets to have usable information?

Exactly.

10 posted on 08/16/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: blam

Didn’t China and Russia agree to stop using the dollar?.


11 posted on 08/16/2014 7:28:45 AM PDT by Vaduz
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12 posted on 08/16/2014 7:28:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Anybody, who thinks they can win by becoming the Left has already lost.)
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To: MRourke85

I’m told this is the thing to watch and yes, it is down. In the spring it hovered at a nice stable range between 2.5 and 2.6. Anything over 2.58 indicates over heating.

The Baltic Dry Index has been holding down with some up ticks but I also see truck freight has been up. Rail freight is skewed by oil transport so hard to gauge.

Grain is down, cattle are finally flat the market is down to flat and oil is down.

I’d say the best we can look forward to is stagnation.... I see no signals of recovery, it has already happend. A jobless and joyous recovery. The market has done less than about 2% annual rate of return since 2007. Nobody can retire on that or do much else. Good thing you can borrow money for free?


13 posted on 08/16/2014 7:38:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: expat_panama

Speaking of SPY.


14 posted on 08/16/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: blam

Does Soros know something you don’t? I don’t know. Do you know that the markets are rigged?


15 posted on 08/16/2014 7:50:59 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Bkmrk


16 posted on 08/16/2014 7:54:08 AM PDT by krunkygirl (force multiplier in effect...)
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To: blam

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17 posted on 08/16/2014 8:15:37 AM PDT by Leggy Mountbatten
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***...when mere mortals like us get to see how the big boys rolled the dice in the last quarter.***

That’s a good way to put it.


18 posted on 08/16/2014 8:51:08 AM PDT by Paulie (Get off the grid.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Nah, TVIX and UVXY. Play the volatility...BTFD’s S&P going to tube, when it does you’ll get paid.


19 posted on 08/16/2014 11:36:41 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Speaking of SPY.

A lot of buzz about this on a related thread, this morning, a NEWSMAX/FINANCE article had a link to the actual 13-F filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission and it seems this "Soros-betting-crash" story is bogus.  Apparently while the Soros fund does in fact have $2.6B in puts, it also has $10.1B in stocks and $0.6B in calls.  IOW for every dollar in downside hedging he's got $4.10 in upside bet.

Maybe I'll be changing my strategy to increase my upside investments to that level too...

20 posted on 08/17/2014 5:42:36 AM PDT by expat_panama
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