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Michael Brown shooting: when can US law enforcement officers fire? (fleeing felon rule)
The Guardian ^ | august 15, 2014 | Lauren Gambino

Posted on 08/15/2014 11:56:54 AM PDT by Cubs Fan

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To: Steelfish

I suggest you do your homework on the law.

Objective reasonableness , and the court also stated that action are fast moving.
FL statue also states that you can use deadly force for a fleeing felon.’FL Statue 776.05, 776,013, also 776,08

Did you actually read the while case and law on this because it takes more than 10 minutes to go over.?


81 posted on 08/15/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: DB

That’s what I believe. One hole in the kid. His buddy said he was bleeding profusely when they took off running. The exertion of the not so great escape killed him. He collapsed. That’s why he’s face down and not on his back.


82 posted on 08/15/2014 1:08:06 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Steelfish; IChing; Yogafist; butterdezillion

Objective reasonableness , and the court also stated that action are fast moving.
FL statue also states that you can use deadly force for a fleeing felon.’FL Statue 776.05, 776,013, also 776,08

Did you actually read the while case and law on this because it takes more than 10 minutes to go over.?


83 posted on 08/15/2014 1:09:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mariner
Left a part out....

When he turned, the cop likely thought that he had a gun and expected to get shot and fired first.

It's what I would think.

84 posted on 08/15/2014 1:11:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Shimmer1

I just confirmed that.

Thank you for correcting me.


85 posted on 08/15/2014 1:12:41 PM PDT by DB
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To: Sacajaweau

what we think does not matter, what happened after this investigation does matter.
What pisses me off is the left wing talking points put out by Sharpton, black panthers, homosexual groups, NAACP and others, and yet we now have some of those points and sites being posted on here .
Not saying you are doing it either


86 posted on 08/15/2014 1:13:27 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Dallas59
This is a race issue, there's no way any SCOTUS decision will be allowed to play in as a factor.

The felony was assaulting an officer, the life issue was Brown turning
back to continue pounding on the Officer. Someone must have a video of the
whole incident.

87 posted on 08/15/2014 1:14:09 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Dallas59

I believe it is also a felony to assault police officers.


88 posted on 08/15/2014 1:17:05 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Shimmer1

Brown knew he was guilty of robbing the store and would have been hyper sensitive to any cop in his presence. Brown could have very easily been violent when confronted by the cop - even w/o the cop knowing about the robbery. Brown may have been shot in or very near the cop car during the confrontation between the two and then wandered off a little distance before collapsing and dying.

If the above is true, there should be hard physical evidence of it.


89 posted on 08/15/2014 1:27:18 PM PDT by DB
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To: DB

Ok, I can certainly see this scenario. Thanks


90 posted on 08/15/2014 1:28:58 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: Mariner

“the dead guy shoves the door back at him, injures the cop”
A violent felon -assaulting an officer- even under your favorable scenario.

But of course, since there’s no evidence besides statements at this point it’s futile to decide the case at all. Not that speculation isn’t a valid amusement.


91 posted on 08/15/2014 1:32:40 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: snowstorm12
Shot in the scuffle?

From what I've heard that is an extremely sensitive place in which to get shot. Very painful.

92 posted on 08/15/2014 1:33:08 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Mariner

First of all Brown knew he robbed the store. And he would have thought the cops were looking for him. So when confronted with the cop, even w/o the cop knowing about the robbery, Brown could well have acted violently all on his own - the cop was injured and there was a struggle.

The cop very well could have shot him during the struggle and Brown wandered of some distance before collapsing and dying.

So further speculation without actual facts is pretty pointless. If he was shot in or near the car in close proximately of the cop the evidence will show that. That is probably why the family wants a second autopsy on Brown, they didn’t like the results.


93 posted on 08/15/2014 1:34:27 PM PDT by DB
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To: Shimmer1

I liked the fact that Brown grew a full inch in height during that scenario.


94 posted on 08/15/2014 1:34:55 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Beagle8U

How clear was the back of his head in the photo?


95 posted on 08/15/2014 1:36:49 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
I have a problem with the law that says “if the cop BELIEVES the perp has committed a felony”

After Garner v. Tennessee that would be illegal. It can't just be a felony. The second component would be the expectation that person would pose a deadly or severe injury threat to others in the future.

A bank robber that never shows a gun and hasn't shot anybody. No

A bank robber that has a habit of shooting tellers, fleeing the scene. Yes.

96 posted on 08/15/2014 1:46:19 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Shimmer1
the officer who killed him didn’t even know he’d robbed the store.

How do you know that? post your proof.

97 posted on 08/15/2014 1:54:25 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: butterdezillion
from an NBC News report (on-line):

Thomas Jackson, the police chief of Ferguson, Missouri, said later that the officer did not know Brown was a suspect in the robbery when he stopped Brown. Asked why Brown and a friend were stopped, the chief said: “Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.”

98 posted on 08/15/2014 1:57:14 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

Clear enough that there is no blood or wounds showing.


99 posted on 08/15/2014 1:57:46 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: WayneS

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326


100 posted on 08/15/2014 2:00:38 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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