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An Evil That Must Be Stopped
Time ^ | 6:04 AM ET | Joe Klein

Posted on 08/14/2014 12:04:02 PM PDT by GonzoII

ISIS is the most serious threat to American interests in a decade. Why we must counter it

Ryan Crocker, who probably knows the Middle East better than any other living American diplomat, recently cut to the chase about the situation in Iraq. “This is about America’s national security,” he told the New York Times. “We don’t understand real evil, organized evil, very well. This is evil incarnate. People like [ISIS leader] Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi have been in a fight for a decade. They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”

We’ve been in the fight for more than a decade too. It began as a proportionate attempt to retaliate against those who attacked America on Sept. 11, 2001. We successfully ousted the Taliban government that supported Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, but Osama and many of his top aides escaped. The war against al-Qaeda should have continued as a targeted special-forces operation, but the flagrantly disproportionate Bush-Cheney invasion of Iraq changed all that … and the Obama surge in Afghanistan didn’t help much, either. Suddenly we found ourselves locked in the middle of civil wars in both countries (or perhaps I should say “countries”). The President was right to extricate our combat troops from those futile fights.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: caliphate; globaljihad; iraq; isis; radicalislam; ryancrocker; wot
"But no one should be surprised if we find ourselves
on a slippery slope toward more violence. There will be
no escaping this fight, unfortunately."

1 posted on 08/14/2014 12:04:02 PM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

The Taliban are messianic in their vision. Alqeda is messianic in its vision. Iran is messianic in its vision. Lots of bad guys out there.


2 posted on 08/14/2014 12:09:59 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: GonzoII
According to the French, Iranian intelligence, and Edward Snowden, Israel is behind ISIS
3 posted on 08/14/2014 12:11:28 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: GonzoII

What are they going to do, row here? Oh wait, I forgot. They will either come here on visas or sneak in through our open borders while are troops are over there.

Want a real solution? Declare Islam incompatible with a free country and boot out all the Muslims. Put troops on our southern border. Anybody wanting to come to the US must first hug a pig. That wouldn’t bother vegetarians and I think Jews will be OK with that, too, right?

If Muslims attack Americans overseas, nuke ‘em.

I know. It will never happen. We’ll keep sending soldiers to die in the MIddle East while welcoming the enemy into our country with open arms. It’s the kinder gentler way of conducting war.


4 posted on 08/14/2014 12:19:57 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: South40
Propaganda?
5 posted on 08/14/2014 12:23:08 PM PDT by GonzoII ("If the new crime be, to believe in God, let us all be criminals" -Sheen)
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To: GonzoII
Of course it's propaganda. Not surprising, the anti-Israel crowd has run with this and is using it as their latest weapon against Israel.

On the left is Simon Elliot, the actor who is supposed to be a member of Mossad. On the right is a mug shot of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before he grew his beard. As if the story and the sources weren't specious on their own right (Iranian intelligence?) I think it's clear that these pics are of two different men.


6 posted on 08/14/2014 12:33:18 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“It will never happen.”

Actually, it already has. About a hundred years after the Reconquista, Muslims were expelled from Spain for reasons of cultural incompatibility.

http://www.historytoday.com/roger-boase/muslim-expulsion-spain


7 posted on 08/14/2014 12:50:22 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: GonzoII

“But no one should be surprised if we find ourselves
on a slippery slope toward more violence. There will be
no escaping this fight, unfortunately.”

It’s time to go nuclear on this. Not all-out Judgment Day nuclear, but enough to destroy their operational centers and break the culture of Radical Islam.

And I’ll say it again, this may be the most humane option for potential ISIL victims who can do nothing to protect themselves from this anti-human savagery.


8 posted on 08/14/2014 12:54:59 PM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene, "True Believers")
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To: GonzoII

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil, very well. This is evil incarnate. People like Margaretr Sanger have been in a fight for a decade. They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil, very well. This is evil incarnate. People like Ted Kennedy have been in a fight for a decade. They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil, very well. This is evil incarnate. People like Nancy Pelosi have been in a fight for a decade. They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”


9 posted on 08/14/2014 1:22:46 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: GonzoII

>ISIS is the most serious threat to American interests in a decade.<

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Wrong.

ISIS is merely a section of islam that decided to take off its mask and show its face.

The ‘peaceful’ and ‘moderate’ elements have not done so, yet.


10 posted on 08/14/2014 1:28:46 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: GonzoII

“Any direct U.S. military action should be measured and proportionate–an insinuation rather than an invasion, taken in concert with allies who are capable of sophisticated covert operations.”

Bzzzzt. Wrong. That is precisely what is wrong with our war fighting efforts these days.


11 posted on 08/14/2014 2:27:25 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: GonzoII; Cronos; Fred Nerks; jazusamo

Marketing and Branding: “It’s not hard to see why ISIS clothing has found an audience in Turkey. While Turkey has denied funding militants in Syria the way that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies have, the country has helped militants in other ways, such as allowing ISIS and other Sunni jihadi forces the use of territory to access Syria.” — http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/11/inside-the-jihadi-gift-shop-isis-branded-hoodies-and-t-shirts-for-sale-in-response-to-growing-demand/


12 posted on 08/14/2014 4:27:22 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

I’m not so much concerned with islamic slogans printed on cheap TShirts for sale in a Turkish market, as I am with the knowledge that Tatar muslims in the Ukraine were demanding that NATO should act to protect them, or else they might be forced to bring back some of their fighters from Syria...and the Western media mentions not a single word.
Scratch beneath the surface anywhere on the planet, and if there’s killing going on, more than likely you’ll find islam:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140314-crimea-tatars-referendum-russia-muslim-ethnic-history-culture/

“...Some of the children of the deported—raised in Uzbekistan and now adults—have returned to become leaders. Refat Chubarov, head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, the representative body of the Tatars, has called on his people—there are now approximately 300,000 Tatars in Crimea—to peacefully boycott the referendum. Nevertheless, some Crimean Tatars have vowed to oppose secession, with force if necessary. According to Western press reports, some Tatars fighting with the rebels in Syria have offered to return to join the cause...”


I’m guessing it wasn’t considered politically correct to mention the Tatars are sunni muslims...


13 posted on 08/14/2014 5:53:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: Fred Nerks
That's an interesting & informative article about the Tartars. This is obviously a global Islamic problem (regardless of their individual history & grievances), approx. 85% of which is Sunni (Salafi & Wahabis included) across many countries.

From my perspective, IS has given the muslims currently & mostly fighting in Syria & Iraq a very active platform. Moreover, IS has an incredibly savvy approach to marketing itself, whether in cheap, branded clothing such as T-shirts (manufactured in East Asia, e.g. Indonesia) on sale in Turkey for which the demand has increased, or via social media such as Twitter and Facebook, which can easily provide global reach to any muslim or those who look for an "exotic adventure". This is utterly dangerous.

NATO was essentially set up to counter the Warsaw Pact. With the fall of the USSR over 2 decades ago, and ever since, we are increasingly faced with a dire Islamic threat. NATO as it stands no longer has much relevance. Time to re-think NATO, in my view.

14 posted on 08/14/2014 6:37:30 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds
...Time to re-think NATO, in my view.

Agreed. With the bombing of Serb civilians and the creation of muslim Kosovo, the total destruction of Libya, now that the Tatars in the Crimea are under the impression all they needed to do was demand 'protection' from NATO, while there are Tatars fighting in Syria, possibly now with IS, it all just doesn't sit right...what has NATO become? A servant of islam?

NATO COUNTRIES.

15 posted on 08/14/2014 7:25:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: Fred Nerks

A couple of years ago here on FR, in one thread someone said, NATO is in essence the U.S. - but there was a very recent related thread on FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3191702/posts


16 posted on 08/14/2014 7:31:59 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

I very much doubt if NATO member countries would fall for another fiasco like Libya, and they certainly didn’t step in and bomb Syria to rubble, though I held my breath thinking it might happen. What stopped them?
That the Crimea Tartars assumed NATO could be used against supporters of Russia in the Ukraine really aught to tell us what islam thinks NATO is good for.
It was the fighters in Syria with ISIS who had received US military training - and the question is still asked, who would have had the expertise required to shoot down a civilian aircraft?
Not the Ukrainians, not the Russians, but possibly a third party; the one no one dares to name, the one whose ‘prophet’ told them ‘war is deception’.


17 posted on 08/14/2014 7:58:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: Fred Nerks
the one no one dares to name,

Voldemort?....... (kidding)

I do believe if the west & primarily the U.S. stopped supporting Islam, for whatever reasons, we wouldn’t increasingly face a dire Islamic threat on a global level, which this is.

18 posted on 08/14/2014 8:11:27 PM PDT by odds
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