Posted on 08/07/2014 11:06:26 AM PDT by Olog-hai
What makes any of them think this war will be won? They’ve not identified the enemy.
And even then, half of Europe merely exchanged one set of chains for another.
Nope. He was just as anti-Israel as any of the other tyrants, and a big aid to Hamas to boot.
What was said in this thread multiple times, i.e. winning the peace, is the only viable solution. Saddam, a Ba’athist (national-socialist) mass murderer, would have been overjoyed to have joined in the “Arab Spring” (one does not need to presume an Obama presidency to predict such an event).
This is a lot of crap, Mr. Wolfowitz. That war officially became a disaster and a farce the moment the U.S. government (the "winners," according to you) allowed the new Iraqi government to adopt a constitution in which Islam is enshrined as the official state religion.
Why don't you just go away already?
Half?
The social market economy (imposed via the European Union “predecessors”) was its own set of chains, albeit lighter at first.
A winning strategy since 2008.
There is winning, and there is winning. We won the moment by brute force, but we’ve lost the long haul by sheer stupidity. It was inevitable from the beginning, and Bush’s people should have known it. Obama’s people are too incompetent to know or do anything.
Iraqi Christians sure would have been better off.
Saddam became more radicalized because we fought him in the first Gulf War. Who cares about Kuwait anyway? Why do we get involved in intra-Arab/Muslim squabbles in the first place? To protect our Saudi masters, that’s why.
No.. Iraq was this generation’s Viet-Nam.
I wasn’t alive during Viet-Nam. My father was over there during 66-68, so I’m familiar with it.
For both “wars”, our guys went over there and kicked ass, but we lacked the political will to win AT HOME. Wars should be declared/funded by politicians, and they need to get the hell out of the way. Let the military and fighting people do their jobs. Instead, you have politicians selecting targets from the White House, creating impossible rules of engagement, and basically refusing to win.
It was just a shame. Wolfo(whatever the hell is name is) should be strung up, and be a tree ornament at Arlington Cemetery(among many other so-called “leaders”).
/rant_Off
Surely you aren’t going to equate that with life behind the Iron Curtain?
Let’s be brutally honest here. The sad truth is that Iraq is a complete disaster today because Saddam Haddam was far more effective at dealing with radical Islamic extremists than George W. Bush ever was.
I backed Bush in the iraq war. But not happily.
We should have attacked those training Al Qaida centers in Egypt and Saudi Arabia along with Afghanistan and yes our ‘allies’ in Pakistan. but Egypt and Saudi Arabia were run by the Bush family personal ‘friends’, we weren’t going to hit there.
As horrible as Iraq’s Hussein was, He was a stabilizing influence against Muslim extremists in the region.
Now we’re in a world of hurt at home and in the second term of a Marxist regime brought on in part by a recession and a war (Iraq) not connected with 9/11.
Yup. He, Saddam, knew how to deal with his enemies and strike fear — gas them.
Saddam was merely par for the course in the Arab/Muslim world.
That's a really good point.
Can you imagine right after Pearl Harbor FDR saying something like this: We have been attacked by some Japanese imperialists. However, most Japanese imperialists are good people. Japanese imperialism is, in fact, a philosophy of peace.
By “win” did you mean no?
Unlikely that Iraqi Christians would have been better off. That’s like saying that the extant Jews in Iran are “better off”.
It was not the Gulf War that “radicalized” Saddam. He was like that from the beginning. Ba’athism is just another form of Nazism.
A “stabilizing influence” that openly aided Hamas?
So, guys like Saddam were all over the Arab world.
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