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Did Ben Nelson Doom Obamacare?
American Spectator ^ | 8/4/2014 | David Catron

Posted on 08/04/2014 4:39:36 AM PDT by rootin tootin

During the oral arguments that preceded the recent appeals court ruling against the Obama administration in Halbig v. Burwell, an under-reported yet crucial discussion took place between two of the judges and counsel for the plaintiffs. Judge Harry T. Edwards pronounced himself confused as to why Congress would have concerned itself with what entity ultimately set up Obamacare’s insurance exchanges. Judge A. Raymond Randolph and attorney Michael A. Carvin did their best to enlighten the befuddled jurist:

JUDGE EDWARDS: I’m trying to understand … who cares who sets up the exchange?

JUDGE RANDOLPH: Ben Nelson …

MR. CARVIN: The enactors of the law

JUDGE EDWARDS: Who cares?

JUDGE RANDOLPH: Ben Nelson.

MR. CARVIN: They couldn’t get to 60… Ben Nelson said we are not going to have a Federally run exchange, we are going to implement basic principles of federalism and the states are going to run those exchanges or I don’t vote for it and it doesn’t get passed.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bennelson; exchanges; halbig; obamacare

1 posted on 08/04/2014 4:39:36 AM PDT by rootin tootin
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To: rootin tootin

I have friends in Omaha who tell me that after Obamacare passed, Nelson would be openly spit on, mocked, ridiculed, and refused service when he went out in public.


2 posted on 08/04/2014 4:42:37 AM PDT by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: rootin tootin

I have friends in Omaha who tell me that after Obamacare passed, Nelson would be openly spit on, mocked, ridiculed, and refused service when he went out in public.


3 posted on 08/04/2014 4:42:37 AM PDT by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: rootin tootin

WE can hope


4 posted on 08/04/2014 4:44:59 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rootin tootin

Doesn’t matter why, he voted for it. His intent doesn’t mean squat in the court of law.


5 posted on 08/04/2014 4:46:43 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: Husker24

His intent doesn’t mean squat in the court of law.
But in this case they are trying to trump plain language with what they think the intent was. To the court, intent IS the point.


6 posted on 08/04/2014 4:48:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rootin tootin

Who cares what the law says? Lord Obama and his flying monkeys in the DOJ decides what the law means and what parts if any get enforced. Seriously, how can you pass laws on healthcare, immigration or anything else when it doesnt matter what’s actually in it?


8 posted on 08/04/2014 5:03:06 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Husker24
His intent doesn’t mean squat in the court of law.

That is not the case when appellate courts are discussing legislation. For these cases, the legislative history and the discussion recorded in the Congressional Record form a vital part of the legal decision. This is why I (speaking ex cathedra from my bellybutton) think that the DC Circuit decision is more valid than the competing and opposite decision by the Richmond Circuit.

9 posted on 08/04/2014 5:03:17 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: yldstrk

Nancy’s eyes might blow right out her sockets if this comes to pass.


10 posted on 08/04/2014 5:03:20 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: rootin tootin
Wasn't it the Cornhusker Kickback that bought Nelson's vote in the end?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) offered the $100 million in Medicaid funding, also known as the “Cornhusker Kickback,” to Nelson to help win him over* as the 60th vote on the Senate’s healthcare reform bill last December.

But the deal eventually backfired. During merger negotiations with the Senate, House leaders said the “kickback” was an unfair deal struck for Nebraska that was not available to other states and was given only to attract Nelson’s support.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/82621-obama-healthcare-plan-nixes-ben-nelsons-cornhusker-kickback-deal#ixzz39QMQfuaC Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

11 posted on 08/04/2014 5:04:07 AM PDT by randita ("Is a nation without borders a nation?"...Noonan)
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To: reefdiver

yeah too bad so sad for ole Nan


12 posted on 08/04/2014 5:10:50 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rootin tootin

bookmark


13 posted on 08/04/2014 5:13:41 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

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- Marc Rich - Eric Holder - Bill Clinton -

- Follow the money - ( Marc Rich’s wife to : ) ?


14 posted on 08/04/2014 5:51:00 AM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: rootin tootin

Interesting read. When the Senate needs every single DemonRat to vote on this bill, then every single DemonRat can hold it hostage for their own nefarious or stupid reason. Thus we have the Cornhusker and Louisiana payoffs.


15 posted on 08/04/2014 7:25:48 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: SES1066
This is why I (speaking ex cathedra from my bellybutton) think that the DC Circuit decision is more valid than the competing and opposite decision by the Richmond Circuit.

Think the full court will see it the same way? (Being full of liberal bias and all...)
16 posted on 08/04/2014 8:17:08 AM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: nonliberal
I have friends in Omaha who tell me that after Obamacare passed, Nelson would be openly spit on, mocked, ridiculed, and refused service when he went out in public.

I like to see justice being done, no matter how small.
17 posted on 08/04/2014 8:17:43 AM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rootin tootin

bttt


18 posted on 08/04/2014 12:31:46 PM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: rootin tootin

I SUSPECTED this from the start...that they worded it EXACTLY as it stand because they were having trouble getting their final votes.

That is why judges have to follow THE LETTER OF THE LAW as, we now know, the law would not even exist had federal exchanges qualified for subsidies.


19 posted on 08/04/2014 7:14:18 PM PDT by BobL
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