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Is ‘broken windows’ broken? Yes. It subjects minority and poor New Yorkers to harassment
NY Daily News ^ | 8/3/14 | STEVE ZEIDMAN

Posted on 08/03/2014 4:01:23 PM PDT by jimbo123

Is ‘broken windows’ broken? Yes It subjects minority and poor New Yorkers to harassment for no good reason.

While Eric Garner's tragic death in police custody, ruled a homicide Friday by the city's medical examiner, has prompted inquiries into police use of force and chokeholds, his passing should also compel a larger investigation into why the police felt compelled to arrest Garner, who they've said was selling loose cigarettes, in the first place.

That inquiry must start by looking with fresh, long-overdue skepticism at the signature "broken windows" theory that's supposedly one of the hallmarks of the city's crime decline.

Given the tremendous, mostly positive publicity it has engendered, it is surprising to many that this heralded theory of policing is a five-page essay published in The Atlantic in 1982. The article's theme is that untended minor criminal behavior leads inexorably to serious street crime. One broken window left unaddressed will soon yield a building filled with broken windows. As the authors famously wrote, "[T]he unchecked panhandler is, in effect, the first broken window."

Serious crime has decreased dramatically in New York City in the two decades that broken windows policing has been in force, yet the causal connection between that drop and huge numbers of arrests for minor transgressions is unproven to this day.

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To: terycarl

Wrong. His crime was not paying a stupid tax on his own cigarettes. He was killed for that.


21 posted on 08/03/2014 6:42:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: devolve
- Back to NYC Mayor Davy Dinky’s 2200 murders in NYC a year...

Murders had already fallen by 30% from their peak when Dinkins (1990-1994) left office. Murder and violent crime in general have plunged nearly everywhere in the US since the early-mid 1990s.


22 posted on 08/03/2014 6:44:19 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: jimbo123

Two cops screw up an arrest by using an illegal restraining method and that means the broken windows theory is broken? That’s pretty stupid (liberal) reasoning. On one hand they credit broken windows for restoring order and making NY livable again but then argue that it is broken. Libs take what is proven to work and throw it out for something that is proven NOT to work.


23 posted on 08/03/2014 6:45:57 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: terycarl
his crime wasn’t selling cigarettes...it was resisting arrest and endagering police officers.

How was he endangering police officers?

24 posted on 08/03/2014 6:55:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Endangering police officers is added to every charge where you are not meek and mild.


25 posted on 08/03/2014 8:21:06 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Lurker
He probably stole the cigarettes from a bodega owned by a Korean.

And what were the police supposed to do when he refused to be handcuffed? Say have a nice day and walk away?

I saw the video. The officer taking him down was about half the guy's size and only maintained the hold long enough to get the guy on the ground.

If it's against the law to sell untaxed cigarettes it's against the law. Had the guy simply let the cops cuff him he would be alive today. But he somehow decided that complying was optional.

26 posted on 08/03/2014 8:37:22 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: hirn_man

And the obvious...if you can whine that you can’t breathe, YOU CAN FLIPPIN BREATHE! Guy wanted a brawl, bit off more than he could chew. No pity.


27 posted on 08/03/2014 9:51:56 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

- Try Chicago and Detroit...


28 posted on 08/04/2014 2:54:44 AM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: Ken H

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- No violent crime around here -

- At my front door my “Gun Lobby” has about a dozen .44’s and .45’s on the walls and handy for action -

- I do not call 911 -

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29 posted on 08/05/2014 1:17:25 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: devolve
- I do not call 911 -

I call 357 :)

30 posted on 08/05/2014 2:45:33 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

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- Nice .357 zingers

- .44-40, .44 Special, and .44 Magnum here - several .45 revolvers -

- I am converting an authentic original Colt 1851 Navy to a high strength steel .22lr cylinder with a full length .22 caliber 7-12 inch barrel liner that drops in and removes in seconds (not the dinky KIRST 2-1/2 inch Barrel liner) - something my daughter will enjoy on the range using smokeless powder without damaging a valuable antique firearm - yet display it in her “Gun Lobby” - no Black Powder cleanups

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31 posted on 08/05/2014 5:29:10 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

Very nice!


32 posted on 08/05/2014 7:11:20 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Lurker
Wrong. His crime was not paying a stupid tax on his own cigarettes. He was killed for that.

wrong again, he might have been arrested and paid a fine for it, b ut his CRIME FOR WHICH HE DIED was resisting arrest. When a cop says that you are under arrest, STFU, co-operate, have your hearing, and go home....it happens hundreds of thousands times per day!!!

33 posted on 08/07/2014 8:13:25 PM PDT by terycarl
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