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Ebola has spread across the globe: ...officials try to trace 30,000 linked to death of US victim
Daily Mail UK ^ | 7/29/14 | Lizzy Parrie

Posted on 07/30/2014 12:20:42 PM PDT by EBH

Fears of a global Ebola pandemic are 'justified' an expert has said as Nigerian health officials try to trace 30,000 people at risk of contracting the deadly disease following the death of Patrick Sawyer.

The U.S. citizen boarded a flight in Liberia carrying the disease to Nigeria, potentially infecting 'anyone on the same plane'.

It comes as Nigerian actor Jim Iyke sparked outrage, posting a picture of himself wearing an Ebola mask while sitting in a first class airport lounge as he fled Liberia.

The 'Nollywood' star posted a message on his Instagram page saying he had cut short a business trip to Monrovia in Liberia - where at least 600 people have already died from the disease.

The death toll for this, the worst outbreak recorded since the Ebola virus was discovered in 1976, stands at 672, while more than 1,200 people have been infected.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: africaleaderssummit; ebola; ebolacarrier; eboladrug; ebolamap; ebolaoutbreak; ebolavictim; outbreak; patricksawyer
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To: BenLurkin

I am a germaphobe yet recently caught an airborne virus that knocked me down for 10 days. I took a friend’s husband to the doctor and came down sick 2 and a half days later and ended up in urgent care.

Be careful out there.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 12:56:28 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: TangledUpInBlue; driftdiver

I’m sure the Canadian equivalent of the CDC is ignorant.

Why don’t you email them and explain their mistakes?


42 posted on 07/30/2014 12:56:57 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Ever read “The Hot Zone”? (Richard Preston). I read it back in the 90s. Scared the bejeezus out of me. I’m not looking forward to this.

The "Hot Zone" is a complete work of fiction and you would do well to understand that the author takes some enormous liberties with how the virus spreads and the effects it has on the victims.

I suggest anyone interested in these things to read "[Level 4] Virus Hunters of the CDC". It is a far more accurate account of Ebola and many other deadly virus's such as Lassa, Hanta, and so forth.

43 posted on 07/30/2014 12:58:46 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: EBH
Nigerian health officials try to trace 30,000 people ...

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This does not give me great confidence ..........

44 posted on 07/30/2014 12:59:04 PM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: miss marmelstein
Went through all of this horror during the very beginning of the AIDs crisis in NYC when nobody knew what was going on. In retrospect, there was not much to worry about but who knew in the early 80s?
Actually, even back then people knew what to do: For example, shut down homosexual bathhouses. But of course, that was out of the question because that would be “homophobic.”

Today, they ought to put anyone coming out of Africa on quarantine for a few weeks, but that is not going to happen, either, probably because it would be “racist.”

45 posted on 07/30/2014 1:05:38 PM PDT by cartan
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To: driftdiver

It also says ultra violet radiation kills it. Instantly. It would have to be a ton of live virus in liquid to live for that long. Dried is simply not proven to cause infection. Even if spores were still alive in dried form out somewhere in the public (always in the dark mind you) whoever came in contact with it would STILL need to absorb it into their blood stream. It’s infectious not contagious.


46 posted on 07/30/2014 1:07:28 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: EBH

The vaccine sounds promising, but tens of thousands may die waiting for the test results and for the manufacturer to produce enough doses.

Here’s are a few ideas that don’t require drugs (or waiting). First, indefinitely suspend all air service between the affected areas and destinations in the rest of the world. Secondly, place anyone arriving from those areas in medical quarrantine until it can be determined they are not carrying the disease. Third, round up anyone who has arrived from those countries in the last month or so and put them in quarrantine, too. Then, start monitoring anyone they have come in contact with since coming to the U.S. and consider quarrantining them as well.

Such measures sound draconian, but if they don’t get ahead of it now, you’ll see scenes reminiscent of the great plague in cities around the world. Centuries ago, millions died because doctors didn’t know what to do. This time around, we know how to limit the spread of the disease, but we refuse, because of political correctness.

One last thing, which I saw on another thread (but bears repeating): wonder how many people from the hot zone have crossed our southern border in recent weeks?


47 posted on 07/30/2014 1:07:47 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: TangledUpInBlue; Black Agnes
I can see where both POVs have some validity. It can be demonstrated in laboratory conditions that the virus can survive some amount of time on an exposed surface, say in a dried secretion, but this doesn't mean that an actual demonstrable mode of transmission occurs in this manner. Same if a technician takes a sample of a scrapping from somewhere. The virus might be viable on a slide or petri dish but not really in a state it will infect a person were it left on the rock where they got it. Lots of things happen in labs and test tubes that don't have much application to real-world, ambient conditions. So until it is conclusively proved that someone became infected by "touching something" that didn't just come out of another infected organism, I am skeptical of this mode of transmission.
48 posted on 07/30/2014 1:09:09 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It says UV kills it, doesn’t say instantly. It does say the virus can live for days outside the host at room temp.

Ebola is not a spore, its a virus. All it takes is 1 single organism to contact the right place and you can catch it. Touch a table and then your eye or lips, or a cut and you can pick it up.

This is why medical staff are catching it, IMO.


49 posted on 07/30/2014 1:11:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Touch a table and then your eye or lips, or a cut and you can pick it up.

That isn't known to happen with Ebola, unless the infected individual were maybe coughing from the other side of the table. The latent ambient surface mode of transmission has not been known to occur. Some day this may change; I hope not.

50 posted on 07/30/2014 1:14:36 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: EBH

Send a few patients to ride along with ISIS. Let them join MS-13


51 posted on 07/30/2014 1:16:06 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: driftdiver
I understand! That's one reason I have posted this on several of these threads trying to get people to think:
I’ve been thinking about this for sometime since they found MERS in the air of a camel barn in Saudi while the Ebola outbreak was growing.

I don’t know if Ebola, MERS or something entirely different will lead to a SHTF event, but with the present ‘Open’ border policy bringing in any number of communicable diseases and the real chance that some carriers could be sent here on purpose as ‘bio bombs’ it brings up a real possibility of extended quarantines being imposed. In fact it may get to a point in which a wise person will impose a quarantine on their family even if health officials don’t.

There are more than a few FReepers who like to point out how silly they see preparing for a ‘Mad Max’ situation is, but what if it isn’t ‘Mad Max’? What if it is something as simple as being able to shelter in place for 30-60 days while an outbreak runs its course? Could you make it through such a quarantine with what you have in your home? If you haven’t thought about it maybe its time.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

But you wouldn't believe the GRIEF I've gotten over just suggesting that people start thinking about taking some precautions.
52 posted on 07/30/2014 1:16:06 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: steve86

If you had to ride crowded public transportation every day, such as that in Manhattan, would you feel safe with that explanation of ‘contact’ and ‘surface’?


53 posted on 07/30/2014 1:16:09 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: steve86

I dunno, I’m just basing it on what the Canadian health dept says.


54 posted on 07/30/2014 1:16:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lee martell

Welcome to Weyland-Yutani Corp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dJS7ZMd4tU


55 posted on 07/30/2014 1:18:41 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook
Third, round up anyone who has arrived from those countries in the last month or so and put them in quarrantine, too. Then, start monitoring anyone they have come in contact with since coming to the U.S. and consider quarrantining them as well.

One last thing, which I saw on another thread (but bears repeating): wonder how many people from the hot zone have crossed our southern border in recent weeks?

If you quarantine everyone who came in contact with anyone who came from those countries in the last month, you'd have one heck of a quarantine going on. I don't think it's feasible. Either to identify them or to quarantine them. Ain't gonna happen.

As far as the southern border goes... There are lots of suicidal terrorists who would volunteer for just such a mission.

56 posted on 07/30/2014 1:19:20 PM PDT by scouter
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To: blackangus
Yikes Ping-a-Ling!
57 posted on 07/30/2014 1:19:39 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: EBH

There needs to be a scale of infectability of various pulmonary pathogens. It is a reasonable idea based on several variables.

1) Novelty of pathogen. People are constantly being infected with pathogens their immune systems are familiar with, and have defenses against. A familiar pathogen that can still infect requires much greater relative concentration, that is, more contamination all at once, than does a novel pathogen.

2) Heat and humidity. Influenza transmits by coughing and sneezing best at 40F and low humidity. Higher temperatures and humidity make its transmission far more reliant on hand contamination.

3) Proximity of the infected person to those not infected. That is, physical distance over time matters. Being in a plane with recycled air makes transmission far more likely than being in a large room with open windows.

4) General hygiene of a place. The developed world spends a lot more time and effort cleaning and sanitizing, which can tend to make immune systems weaker by reduced exposure to all pathogens. But it also eliminates a lot of contamination that could spread disease.

5) Cultural traditions. People with infectious diseases tend to be avoided in the developed world. Even family members with dangerous diseases will be shunned so as not to infect the rest of the family. And those with dangerous diseases are often quarantined by the authorities, to protect the public. Well over a hundred years experience with this.


58 posted on 07/30/2014 1:20:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: cartan

Sorry, they absolutely shut down the bathhouses in Manhattan. Times weren’t as pc as they are today. My point was that we didn’t know whether the disease was spread through saliva.


59 posted on 07/30/2014 1:21:03 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Black Agnes
I wouldn't be comfortable even being in the same hemisphere.

But epidemiologically, it is not considered contagious at this time.

It is not a bad idea to stock up on N95 masks and non permeable gloves. I have them already.

60 posted on 07/30/2014 1:27:46 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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