Best Wishes to the brave Ukrainian soldiers - from today at the Berlin Wall!
Posted on 07/27/2014 10:17:12 AM PDT by FreeReign
As Ukrainian troops gained ground in eastern Ukraine in early July, separatist leader, Aleksander Borodai, a Russian national, left for Moscow for political consultations.
After what he described as successful talks with unnamed people there, he returned to the rebel stronghold of Donetsk to introduce a new senior figure in his self-proclaimed republic, a compatriot seasoned in the pro-Russian separatist movement in Moldova and a war between Russia and Georgia.
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Thanks for this alloysteel, it explains a whole lot!
The map you posted was after these two regions declared their independence and didn’t even participate in that election. About as valid as Saddam’s election results.
My first reply:
1) The regions did not declare independence. Self-proclaimed rulers from Moscow did so.
2) Only the grey area represents those places where no election occurred. Thus, even if we assumed that people there would want to be annexed, they could only succeed in that grey area, not half the country, as you would want us to believe.
3) I can prove that polls of the East and South demonstrate only a minority of support for the separatists, thus you are full of it.
#Ukraine made deep breakthrough from north,surrounded Horlivka,seized Debaltsevo,Shakhtarsk,Torez, are near Snizhne http://t.co/Eor69B4kP5— Juhani Kaukoranta (@jukaukor) July 27, 2014
To treat the Russian thugs in the eastern Ukraine— bought and paid for by Putin— as legitimate provincial governments while calling the Kiev government a junta is simply perverse.
As one of the rebel leaders said “If Russia had invaded we would be fighting in Kiev today”
If part of Alaska invited Russians in to come take them over, we would definitely stop that from happening. If the Mexicans in Texas and California tried to break off their parts of those states and join Mexico, we’d stop them.
Russia invaded, they just sent in a shitty army of irregular forces, just like when they invaded Georgia.
And that's why dear leader is upset -- because Russians did invade and they still can't take Donetsk and all they have to show for their effort is the loot from passengers of an airliner -- and mascara, of course.
‘’’they just sent in a shitty army of irregular forces, just like when they invaded Georgia.’’
Two more intercepted phone conversations between the leaders of the self-proclaimed
‘’”People’s Republic of Donets’k”’’ and their Russian ‘’”colleagues.”’’
In the first one, the “prime minister” Aleksandr Borodai (actually a general of the Russian armed forces and a deputy director of the Russian Federal Security Bureau) tells Aleksandr Chesnakov, a high-positioned functionary of the Putin’s ruling party, “United Russia:” “Understand, it’s a bad situation. We have a lot of negative stuff, and the worst is, I am running out of money.”
Chesnakov: “Hey, stop it. We have agreed on 180 million, so that’s it. You got me?” “Yes.”
“OK, then I have another thing. You should persuade “Strelok” (Igor Girkin, the “minister of defense” of the “republic”) to make this statement.
Something like, people, V.V. Putin is the most brilliant man in the world.
No one knows better than him whatever concerns the Russian World. And he is my Commander-in-Chief. So, whatever decisions he will make, should be understood and welcomed. Got it?
And it is HIM (Girkin) who must say it, not you.”
In the second conversation, a terrorist called Purgin tells a Russian “partner:” “This Girkin, you know, he if f***ing crazy.
He sits in his office all day, meeting with some “investors,” bank people. Then he comes to me and says, you know, we must think about blowing up 9-story residential buildings in the suburbs of Donets’k.
I don’t get it. He gives orders that disrupt the entire life of the city, you understand?
Nothing works, even food supplies are disrupted, even the coal from our mines is not allowed to be transported.
I tell you, Girkin is one motherf***er maniac.
He makes plans about how to kill some 10,000 Ukres, simultaneously ruining our city of 1,000,000.”
- translation by GVPinchuk
AND LATEST REPORTS—
Terrorist leaders Igor Strelkov Girkin (The Gunman) and Igor Besâ Bezler
(The Demon) have fled the combat zone.The two are not present in the area
of the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO), or in places where other rebel leaders
are in hiding............................
It isn't just Soros ‘alone’, he has other former Russian Oligarchs (with lots of money to throw around) working ‘with’ him, and for him, who have more than sour grapes against Putin when he kicked them out of Russia's Gov. and various other Corporate Businesses, they were controlling much of Russia and made a bundle off the Russian people with all their coperate and business scams. They are fighting against Putin himself.....not to mention how 'they' intend to divide Ukraine, (thought their borders are never seen but by one another).
One of them, (should I name names LOL) was interviewed and flat out said of course they were after Putin, (via Both Ukraine's Revolutions)..and would do so with all they had to do it with. They are out to bring him down...and thus go back to Russia and regain the ground they had there...and share in the spoils of Ukriane.
Thank you for bringing this to the forefront.....as we've been saying...there is much more to Ukraines war then MSM is reporting, and these guys can and do operate behind the scenes...... This is also why the Ukraine Army keeps going AWOL.....once in the fight they cannot tell who they are fighting because these oligarchs have their own armies in this fray......Interesting also is some of the Kiev army guard have fled to 'Russian' hospitals saying they are safer there then in the care of those treating them in the East.
One of the Russian Doctors gave a short interview and said the last thing they expected was to be treating Ukraine's Army soldiers.....but how the staff is giving them the same courtesy that they give everyone there. Still..he was pretty dumbfounded they are showing up there.
Ps.....this is one Oligarch who 'escaped' Russia, and highly responsible for helping to get Putin into office, along with the other Oligarchs running the government at that time.... He was heavily into Ukraines Orange Revolution..and used other tactics as well to try and take Putin down...(he lived for a time ...but is dead now. Made too many enemies with their fold.)
Name: Boris Berezovky
Don’t mind GPH. He’s a troll!
Here’s another interesting tid-bit regarding the former Russian Oligarchs trying to take down Putin....the main character, the former ‘oil’ giant whose ex-owner Mikhail Khodorkovsky was imprisoned by Putin when he took down ‘The Family” of oligarchs...who are suing Putin in the courts now.
...”Russia said it would appeal the ruling by.... the Dutch-based panel,....( now that’s interesting).... which judges private business disputes. It also said the “politically biased decision” was based on “current events” - an apparent reference to Moscow’s dispute with the West over Ukraine”.
The ruling hit back at decisions made under President Vladimir Putin’s rule during his first term as president to nationalise Yukos and jail Khodorkovsky, who had criticised him. The hardline approach was seen by Kremlin critics at the time as a stark message to oligarchs to stay out of politics.
Khodorkovsky, who used to be Russia’s richest man, was arrested at gunpoint in 2003 and convicted of theft and tax evasion in 2005. Yukos, once worth $40 billion, was broken up and nationalised, with most assets handed to Rosneft, an energy giant run by an ally of Putin.
After 10 years in jail, Putin pardoned Khodorkovsky in December and he now lives in Switzerland.
(Khodorkovsky is out for blood, no doubt working with Soros and the other Ukrainian Oligarchs)
LOL
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