Posted on 07/23/2014 7:43:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Russian soldiers VK-page shows RUSSIA is shelling Ukraine with heavy artillery
Valdimir Petrov @_hedder found evidence of a Russian artillery unit shelling Ukrainian positions from Russian territory, because a soldier from this unit is posting photos on his VKontakte page (the Russian Facebook). Or course immediately after discovering this, his page has been deleted. But the info is still here:
"all night we were cannoning Ukraine"
Just a strawman. No one said anything about sending troops. With this logic, you undermine the conservative interpretation of the cold war. Any reaction to the Soviets ought to be met with isolationism and defeatism. That is your position, while stupidly accusing people of wanting to send in "troops,' as if that's the only thing that can be done.
You're behind times:
Obama orders American ‘military advisors’ to support Ukraine against pro-Russian rebels
The Cold War was a different conflict, in which many folks around here apparently insist on re-living. The USSR was ideologically committed to world domination, and we had to act to prevent a complete global takeover by the Communists. Moreover, we had the moral authority and the economic, political, and military might with which to first contain and then defeat the Soviets.
Putin is not a Communist anymore, but a neo-Tsarist, whose goal is to rebuild the old Russian Empire, circa January 1917. He wants a European and Asian hegemony, not a complete takeover of the world. Hence, the Ukrainian conflict, which the West set off anyway by meddling there, is regional in nature, and none of our business. Additionally, even if it was our business, the U.S. no longer has the moral authority, as well as the economic and military power, to do anything about it, the current Obama regime.
I like how the Paulbots and other freaks always like to tell us how the "cold war" is over and everybody who says otherwise is crazy. We have a Russkie President who is former KGB, operating what is essentially a KGB state, with a media that is programming his people to hate Americans and blame us for all the world's ills, and with a military actively attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union and beyond.
This is called "the cold war."
Putin is not a Communist anymore, but a neo-Tsarist, whose goal is to rebuild the old Russian Empire, circa January 1917.
Putin is a communist, and the "Neo-Tsarists" in Russia are also Communists. They even say so. There are "ultranationalist" and "Orthodox" Christian Communists, and they sing the same tune, and that tune is Putin and him running things, and death to the United States.
"Russia is the only country in the world which is really capable of turning the USA into radioactive ash." - Dmitry Kiselyov, General Director of Russia Today
"An important aspect of the Eurasian worldview is an absolute denail of Western Civilization. In the opinion of the Eurasians, the West with its ideology of liberalism [Democracy] is an absolute evil." - Aleksandr Dugin, Political Scientist and adviser to MP Sergei Naryshkin
He wants a European and Asian hegemony, not a complete takeover of the world.
IOW, he just wants part of the world, not all of it.
Additionally, even if it was our business, the U.S. no longer has the moral authority, as well as the economic and military power, to do anything about it, the current Obama regime.
No one ever had moral authority fighting the Nazis. They were teamed up with Joseph Stalin. That is not a reason to not defend yourself. If I am guilty of some great sin, that does not mean it is okay for someone to rape and murder my family. This is no logic at all.
....during the Cold War there was ‘diplomacy’ and ‘safeguards’ that are not there today with our run away administration and that of Ukraine's. Nuclear weaponry was considered ‘mutually’ a last resort.
In 2002 A Senate discussion with Defense took place where it was spoken that certain Nuclear weapons could be used “safely” in a conventional war without affecting the nearby citizenry, and that use of these would ‘not require’ Presidential consent.
That session sent shivers down everyone’s spine and.. ‘changed the equation’.. entirely from the cold war parameters and safeguards. We are no longer in that era.
I agree the Russia today is not the Russia of that time as well...and will add....the Russian people are accustomed to hard and difficult times, they will continue to rally with Putin the more the US pushes against their leader, who has already proved his allegiance to their country and it's people....they 'trust' him even if some may at times may question his moves. ( just a side note FYI.....Kiev's directing scads of revenues and rapidly building up their airstipes.)
This guy got it right even back then.
“I have one yardstick by which I test every major problem - and that yardstick is:......Is it good for America?”
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
As usual you are a butt kissing Putinista. Tell this to all those people murdered and imprisoned by your hero Putin, that he has "earned their trust."
Yes, I know... your family and others likely suffered under the USSR.....and Putin does crack down on those now who would create issues in his country. Nobody’s saying he’s a saint by any means...but he does know the people of his country and where they have been and need to come to...
....and they aren’t Americans nor with our history to determine how their country is run. They get to determine that and they support him. For any who have checked it’s pretty easy to see why they do.
I am Hispanic, you dufus, and a native of Texas. I'm just conservative, so naturally I do not worship Putin like you do.
and Putin does crack down on those now who would create issues in his country.
That's an interesting way to put it. So when someone does not want to go along with the KGB, they are "creating issues in his country"? Well, we gotta have someone to sort out these troublemakers, eh?
Nobody’s saying he’s a saint by any means...but he does know the people of his country and where they have been and need to come to...
You are not saying he is a saint, thereby agreeing that he is a mass murderer of his own people and a tyrant, and then you say "but he does know the people of his country." Yes, big brother always knows best.
Your sycophantic love of Putin is showing.
Yep, and public executions are warranted after trials that show the world the horror these Russian psychopaths have committed.
FOOTAGE Shows Unexploded BM30 SMERCH Missile “in Living Room”....in East Ukraine...(IMO this has nothing to do with ridding East Ukraine's of “terrorist’... This looks like warfare missiles and all the destruction that goes with him or without declared war....these are being used throughout Donetsk and Lugansk communities....and even OSCE reported to UN that Kiev is firing where there are no separatists or terrorist’s, rather civilian areas causing no threat.....Kiev is absolutely destroying Eastern Ukraine...for profit!
There have been reports and videos of Kiev using the heavy “Smerch” rockets, as well as the even heavier type (Can’t remember the name), against civilian areas for 3 weeks now. These are, by nature, indiscriminate area weapons.
Of course, I have been called every name in the book for pointing this out.
I’m afraid our boys will end up taking this if Obama and the Eu and Russia don’t stand down....and this is just a practice run....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnTwNzNJL10
They need Russia's oil and gas too much.
No, not really.
Thanks for setting me straight on that. Your powerful argument really taught me a lesson.
It might be because your sources are Russian media (though you rarely post any support for anything you say), which have been proven to be liars, just like you.
Notice that instead of pinging this to me, you ping it to your fellow travelers. Is it because you know I'll ask you to provide proof?
They need Russia's oil and gas too much.
Well they better start kissing some butt. We got own border problems.
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