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1 posted on 07/07/2014 3:25:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Does he not understand the POS in question was not captured, but in fact deserted to the enemy and likely gave them useful intel?

Makes all the difference in the world to me.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 3:27:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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Apparently Phil feels sorry for the traitor.


3 posted on 07/07/2014 3:28:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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"...There have been suggestions that he deserted..."

Well...yeah. "Suggestions".

I respect this man for his service and for his sacrifice, but his statement simply holds no water for me.

4 posted on 07/07/2014 3:29:08 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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What part of desertion don't you understand


5 posted on 07/07/2014 3:29:08 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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Lord I hate hippies, no matter what flavor they are.


6 posted on 07/07/2014 3:29:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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He deserted and then went rogue. Big time difference.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 3:29:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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later read


9 posted on 07/07/2014 3:30:26 PM PDT by miele man
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What would he say if he were rather captured, or his squadron-mates killed, on missions to rescue Jane Fonda?


10 posted on 07/07/2014 3:30:28 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: nickcarraway; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; ...
Re: Phillip Butler, PhD, a retired U.S. Navy aviator, is a peace and environmental activist...

No more need be said-- However, I thank Mr. Butler for his service to our nation in Vietnam... but he nowadays is a full fledged blivit, that's an old Navy term for "ten pounds of manure in a five-pound bag."

11 posted on 07/07/2014 3:31:58 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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Most of my closest friends are Vietnam War Vets. Not POWs, but Vets. There is not one among them who has sympathy for the traitor, Bowe Bergdahl. One wore a bracelet with Bergdahl's name on it for three years while he was being held. He is the most outspoken in his condemnation of traitor Bergdahl.

I can understand how someone who was a POW can empathize with Bergdahl but to do so means he has to overlook the fact that Bergdahl deserted and that is how he got where he was.

Bergdahl is a traitor and he should be treated like one.

12 posted on 07/07/2014 3:32:42 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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This man Butler has broken faith with any person who wears or has worn the uniform. He is an ultra-liberal Democrat, and if that is a fact (and it is) he wishes to surrender this country to those who wish it ill.


13 posted on 07/07/2014 3:34:31 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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The author laments how politicized Bergdahl has become...

While completely forgetting who politicized it. Barry brought his parents into the Rose Garden, to make a spectacle over it.

If the nature of his desertion is really still ‘under investigation’, the manner in which Barry gave his ‘seal of approval’ in the Rose Garden speech is beyond stupid. As commander in chief, he polluted the investigation...and as politician in chief, he took a fairly simple desertion case and made it very clear where liberals should line up.

As to the trade - the author forgets to note how Barry has pushed to release the fab five since he first took office, and put the onus on the military and intelligence agencies to prove why they shouldn’t be released. Then, all of the sudden, a prisoner swap? Its all too obvious that Barry wanted to release these very dangerous men. The only real question is why. But window dressing this release as a prisoner swap doesn’t change how dangerous this release was.

But don’t worry...they promised to stay put until after the mid-term elections...not that Barry politicized the situation, or anything like that.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 3:35:13 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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I won’t be to hard on this pilot and former P.O.W. But he is failing to differentiate between captured and deserted.

Com-on MAN!


16 posted on 07/07/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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I would want to ask if, while bombing the Ho Chi Min Trail, did the author decide, on a whim, to punch out of his aircraft, since he was hot for Jane Fonda?

All evidence points to Bergdahl walking away from his post, and everyone else in his unit seems to support this narrative.

I'd be curious to know how much the Democommies paid the author to dream up this fiction. Did someone get jammed up with a commodities investment, or is upside down on his McMansion?

17 posted on 07/07/2014 3:37:40 PM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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How sad. His brains obviously got totally scrambled while in captivity.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 4:03:21 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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If his wingman went north and gave up his plane?


27 posted on 07/07/2014 4:08:06 PM PDT by huldah1776
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The guy is a full blown nut case.

Here are his writings on everything from Aids Awareness 1992, to why he won’t vote for McCain 2008, to the “Swift Boating” of John Kerry 2004, to “internet myths about Jane Fonda”, etc, etc.
http://phillipbutlerphd.com/writings/


32 posted on 07/07/2014 4:36:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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Phillip Butler, PhD, a retired U.S. Navy aviator, is a peace and environmental activist who lives on the Monterey Peninsula

That's all you need to know.......

34 posted on 07/07/2014 4:41:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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The North Vietnamese did a number on this guys head...Same as John McCains


41 posted on 07/07/2014 5:03:58 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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Butler’s article is very confusing, as is the man. A brave combat flier who was tortured and held in pretty bad conditions, along with most of the other American fliers who were captured. Probably did his best to resist the No. Vietnamese and for this he should be admired and respected.

However, he rambles in his stories and this shows that he failed to study history.

There weren’t “30 million No. Vietnamese” at the time of the war. Demographic numbers ranged from about 16-18 Million NVN in the mid 1960’s, outnumbering the SVN by about 2-3 Million (whence came their overwhelming manpower pool for their PAVN forces).

ALso, Bergdahl was not a traditional POW, captured on the battlefield, but was a mixed up AWOL, if not deliberate deserter.

While we can commisserate with his reportedly bad treatement by the Haqqani Network (not the Taliban per se), to release 5 top Taliban leaders was insane and will lead to the deaths of more Afghanis, Americans, and coalition soldiers. They live to kill and be killed. In other words, they are pathologically insane, and pose both an imminent and long-range danger to civilized people everywhere.

We were not allowed to “win” in Vietnam (a point about which I agree with him) but he apparently supports the Democrats who destroyed our victory in Iraq by pulling out our troops in such a deliberately reckless fashion, as we are seeing today.

I have friends who are/were (deceased) POWS, most of whom underwent not only torture for long periods of time, but who also saw their co-prisoners (both military and civilian), die in front of them (by execution or medical maltreatment or torture).

They have not turned against their country. If nothing else, they have renewed their devotion to protecting America, even as illness and age work against them. One last fight to wage, till their dying days. No whining, no crying, no quitting.

Just once more into the breach, and proud of being able to do it!


50 posted on 07/07/2014 5:46:07 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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