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Many Ukrainian Seek Refuge In Russia
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7/2/2014 | Paul Sonne

Posted on 07/03/2014 6:55:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright

When the neighbor's dog was killed by artillery fire, it was time to go.

Oksana Vasilieva was in the kitchen of her home on Comintern Street in the Ukrainian city of Slovyansk in late May as the shelling of her neighborhood began. She screamed for the children to run outside and then herded them into the cellar.

When they emerged, the neighbors' house had been hit. So had their sandy-brown dog, its dead body mangled in the remnants of a destroyed metal fence. She boarded an evacuation bus and fled to Russia.

"I'm not going to return," Ms. Vasilieva, 36 years old, said outside the one-room bunk she has been sharing with her mother and daughter in a refugee facility at a summer camp on the Azov Sea. "It's a dead city."

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Ukraine's new pro-Western government has failed to persuade the locals otherwise or win their trust. ...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is guaranteeing amnesty for those who put down their weapons and haven't committed grave crimes, but many refugees don't believe the promise.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ukraine
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Normally when newly elected leaders who rise to power on the heels of civil unrest turn around and start shelling civilians homes and creating floods of refugees we call the evil despotic regimes.....

Unless of course we are supporting them in which case we call it democracy in action. This is madness. Just because our govt supports it doesn't make it right. Benghazi.... isis.... etc our govt right now is supporting nonsense.

As a conservative I believe we have not only a domestic mess but also we are erring greatly abroad.

1 posted on 07/03/2014 6:55:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright
Poroshenko is just cleansing Ukraine of ethnic Russians.
2 posted on 07/03/2014 7:18:05 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: wonkowasright

When Russia is encouraging Communists and pro-Russians to overthrow the Kiev government, Kiev has all right to stop them.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 8:04:58 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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"Poroshenko is just cleansing Ukraine of ethnic Russians "

Oh well so long as its only ethnic russians.... bomb their homes shoot their dogs maim their children..... REALLY ?!

This is the type of warfare isis and jihadis use. Vikings raiders might approve.....

It surely isnt what our nation used to stand for....
4 posted on 07/03/2014 8:19:16 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Thunder90

There was a legitimate govt an elected govt that was overthrown via force and this then installed. Then those upset at the coup were denounced for resistance and now their old ladys homes are being shelled dogs killed children put to flight.

Or would BLM be correct to shell the homes of the ranchers here ?


5 posted on 07/03/2014 8:22:06 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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Poroshenko is doing no such thing. There is no “cleansing” going on any more so than in the US. It is Russian propoganda meant to further destabilize the Ukranian government and their citizens who have rejected the communism and control of Russia.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 8:23:17 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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The Wall Street Journal is now Russian propaganda ?

Oy.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 8:25:53 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Thunder90
When Russia is encouraging Communists and pro-Russians to overthrow the Kiev government, Kiev has all right to stop them.

What about us overthrowing Ukraine's government. Was that ok with you?

McCain Tells Ukraine Protesters ‘America Is With You’ - Dec 15, 2013

8 posted on 07/03/2014 8:30:40 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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the WSJ didn’t claim Poroshenko was “cleansing” the Ukraine of ethnic Russians. The poster you responded to did.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 8:33:47 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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No it just said he was shelling their houses and making them run for their lives.

Whats the difference ?


10 posted on 07/03/2014 8:56:45 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

They wanted to be Russian so bad, now they have their chance.


11 posted on 07/03/2014 9:22:21 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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So shelling vilagers holding wrong political views is ok with you ?

When I was young and boyscouts were popular we didnt blow up the homes of people we disagreed with. In those days that was done by commies and despots. Have we fallen so far we now view this as ok ?


12 posted on 07/03/2014 10:26:44 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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Maybe the Russian terrorists should have thought about the consequences before they started a war.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 11:45:08 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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These peoples homes are now terrorist ?

This is BLM logic.


14 posted on 07/03/2014 12:29:32 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

“War is Hell.”


15 posted on 07/03/2014 12:49:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Shelling old ladies aint war


16 posted on 07/03/2014 1:05:20 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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What they need over there are some Peacekeepers. And they might get some soon. Just not the ones most want. Russian ones.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 1:11:02 PM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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General Sherman shelled Atlanta and won the war. The Russkie terrorists are as foolish as the Confederate terrorists who plunged the USA into war and they will meet the same fate.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 1:23:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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“General Sherman shelled Atlanta and won the war.”

I never thought Sherman was a good role model, and neither did any of Dixie.


19 posted on 07/03/2014 2:57:26 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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For those who want to win wars, he’s a great role model.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 4:22:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Sarah was right.)
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