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To: BlackElk

The problem is that Childers, no matter how much you love him and seem to believe that the Dem is the true conservative, is never going to VOTE for any of those things. The Dems vote in lockstep with Harry Reid, who in turn does whatever Obama wants.

That was my whole point. Individuals are not the important thing here. Numbers matter. As long as there are more Dems than GOPers and Obama is president and Reid is in charge, no matter how much you love the guy, he’s not going to vote for any of the programs you want. And unless you elect enough GOP Senators and Reps to have a majority, even if McDaniels had won (well, he did, but that’s another story), he couldn’t have done anything.

Think strategically. The Dems do.


49 posted on 06/28/2014 3:40:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius; BlackElk
Think strategically. The Dems do.

Same "Lesser of Two Evils" crap pushed by Karl Rove, just wrapped up in a different wrapper.
53 posted on 06/28/2014 3:50:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: livius
The first task is to define the enemy. Far too many GOP House members ARE the enemy every bit as much as Pelosi or Steny Hoyer. An even higher percentage of GOP Senators ARE the enemy: Murkowski, Kirk, Collins, Alexander, Corker, Cockroach, Cornyn, McCain, Flake, Graham for ten off the top of my head. Being a Republican does not guarantee reliability or friendship.

Being a Democrat, in rare cases, does not necessarily mean being a Demonrat. Childers had a House voting record that gave Pelosi agita. Pro-life, Pro-gun, anti-Obozocare. About forty years ago, the aging Speaker of the House John McCormack (D-South Boston) retired to go home and use his law license and his vast influence to represent arrested pro-lifers. His Faith was more important to hi than his party affiliation. President of the Massachusetts State Senate Billy Bulger (D-South Boston) spent twenty years in office successfully thwarting the pro-aborts in Massachusetts at every turn. His considerable and influential law firm trolled Boston courts to ask arrested pro-lifers to accept representation at no cost. With Billy's lawyers representing them, few were ever convicted, if any.

I worked for Democrat Tom Dodd, at his request in 1970, but without the offered pay and, while he was weak on guns, he put Barry Goldwater to shame on military, anti-communism and social issues. Slogan: When Tom Dodd Wins, America Wins!

More later!

54 posted on 06/28/2014 4:06:28 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: livius
Computer glitch.

It does not help the pro-life, pro-gun, pro-family, pro-military, pro-borders, or any other conservative issue group to be solely identified with only one political party. It allows us to be pigeonholed. The Democrats know they usually cannot get our votes and stop trying. The Republican whores then say (Think Gerald Ford, Poppy Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney): "They have to vote GOP or stay home." Then we get less and less and less. No thanks. I want that pound of flesh.

What do William Brennan, Potter Stewart, Warren Burger, Herod Blackmun, Lewis Powell, John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O'Connor, David Swish Souter and sometimes Sandra Day O'Kennedy have in common? GOP Presidential appointments to SCOTUS and, in whole or in part, pro-abort records on the SCOTUS. No better on the lower fedcourts either. For all of our slavish loyalty as pro-lifers to the GOP, wehave gotten 41 years of about 60 million dead, dismembered babies on demand. But, hey, maybe the next GOP POTUS like a Romney or a McCain or a Rand Paul or a Crispy Creme Christie might appoint a pro-lifer by mistake to SCOTUS.

If "we" take the Senate, along with the House, Mitchie McConnell and Weeper John (Hic) Boehner will excuse their lack of performance by saying Obozo holds the White House. That will be at the same time that Obozo calls them racists for blocking his agenda but they won't really unless his agenda threatens Muffie's trust fund. He can appoint Bill Ayers or Bernardine Dohrn to the SCOTUS for all that they care.

Individuals are not the important thing here. REVENGE is. Fear of RETRIBUTION is. If you do not inflict unacceptable levels of pain on political whores in charge, they will run their cavalry over your corpses. If you choose to punish Demonrats, your "Republican" enemies will snicker up their sleeves at you and every pro-life conservative. Think Bugs Bunny saying: "What a maroon!"

If, instead, you inflict the pain on your Republican enemies like Thad Cockroach, Boss Hogg Barbour and the rest, even Demonrats will take notice and try to at least buy your opposition to other GOPhacks. The GOP Hacks will respect you more and try to buy your votes for $$$$ which is all they ever think about. When that does not work, they will ask you to dictate your terms. If they vilate those promises (preferably made in writing or as publicly as Poppy's Read My Lips: No New Taxes!), they know they will share Poppy's fate because you will behead their craven political/corruption careers. No one likes liars.

Childers is no movement conservative (the only kind that really counts) but he is capable of being a very temporary weapon in the overall fight. He would be more conservative than you think and a lot less liberal than you fear. He would be strictly temporary. In 2018 and 2020, with Boss Hogg in prison, we nominate a nominee really worth electing.

Finally, do you think that we just have to sit around worrying about what the lamestream media may call us???? I don't. Go after the GOP cowards and quislings AND the Demonleft with the same gusto and creativity we used against McGovern and Carter and Weicker, asking no quarter and giving none. We are quite capable of destroying our enemies and ought to apologize for not doing it already. First apologies go to 60 million dismembered babies. ,p> REMEMBER MISSISSIPPI!!!!

55 posted on 06/28/2014 4:43:35 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: livius; BlackElk; All
That was my whole point. Individuals are not the important thing here. Numbers matter...Think strategically. The Dems do..

Livius, some of us Republicans have been following your strategy at the ballot box for decades.

When is it going to start working?

The Dems' strategy? They CHEAT -- they have to because liberals are a minority. The Dems' "strategy" is to manipulate and connive and contrive and harvest and bully and lie so they can advance more and more government tyranny against the will of the majority.

Meanwhile, dunderheaded Republicans like myself have used your strategy to vote into power more and more liberals, albeit members of the Republican party.

Your strategy IS FAILING. Your strategy HAS FAILED.

Time for a new one, and in any case, you may be forced to adopt a new strategy whether you want to or not. The Republican party is the Screw You party, it has been for a very long time. Talk about lipstick on a pig.

The new strategy is to vote such that liberal Republicans lose. The new strategy is to vote with an eye to what you are voting FOR. I will vote FOR the candidate who, if he won, would improve things because he advances limited government. If that candidate belongs to a party different than the one party that goes by two names (Republican or Democrat), so be it.

Your vote is a gamble on numbers, half the time the number you counted on as registering 10, is so far left of the dial that it's -3, as in RomneyCare Mitt. That's how your numbers add up when the rubber hits the road.

My vote is an investment in righteous principle. My guy may lose, but if he WINS, we all win. If the moderate Republican wins, everything moves left. That is why my vote from now on will be such that the moderate Republican loses.

58 posted on 06/28/2014 7:01:48 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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