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China Now Claims Japan’s Okinawa
World Affairs Journal ^ | 25 July 2012 | Gordon Chang

Posted on 06/27/2014 11:57:16 AM PDT by robowombat

China Now Claims Japan’s Okinawa

25 July 2012

The Global Times, the newspaper run by China’s Communist Party, ran an editorial this month suggesting that Beijing challenge Japan’s control of Okinawa, part of the Ryukyu island chain.

Why would China want to start a fight over Okinawa? At the moment, China, Taiwan, and Japan are engaged in a particularly nasty sovereignty dispute in the East China Sea over five islands and three barren rocks called the Senkakus by the Japanese and the Diaoyus by the other claimants. The disputed chain is north of the southern end of the Ryukyus and about midway between Taiwan and Okinawa.

The Senkakus are administered by Japan, which appears to have a stronger legal claim to the chain than the other two nations. The United States, which takes no position on the sovereignty issue, returned the islands to Tokyo at the same time it gave back Okinawa in 1972. The People’s Republic of China made no formal claim to the Senkakus until 1971. Until then, Chinese maps showed the islands as Japan’s.

Beijing claims the Senkakus were part of China since Ming dynasty times, at least since the 16th century. Therefore, Japan’s occupation of the chain is, in Chinese eyes, a historical injustice. “For every step that Japan takes forward, we will take one step and a half and even two steps to make Japan realize its provocation will bring serious consequences,” the Global Times editorialized, as it suggested Beijing go after Okinawa as a means of bolstering its Senkaku claim.

“China should not be afraid of engaging with Japan in a mutual undermining of territorial integrity,” the Global Times also stated. That, unfortunately, is a recipe for disaster. “Using the Ryukyu sovereignty issue to resolve the Diaoyu dispute would destroy the basis of China-Japan relations,” Zhou Yongsheng of China Foreign Affairs University told the Financial Times. “If this was considered, it would basically be the prelude to military action.”

And not just in the East China Sea. China’s claim to Okinawa, if raised, would partially rest on the fact Ryukyu’s kings paid tribute to China even after the Japanese conquered the islands in 1609. “Once you start arguing that a tributary relationship at some point in history is the basis for a sovereignty claim in the 20th century, you start worrying a lot of people,” notes the renowned June Teufel Dreyer, of the University of Miami. “Many, many countries had tributary relationships with China.” Moreover, many Chinese believe they have, based on history, the right to take, among other things, Mongolia and the Russian Far East.

So where will China’s expansionism end? Some feeble American analysts want to abandon Taiwan because they believe that will soothe relations with Beijing. That’s hardly a good tactic to use against an aggressive power looking to expand, and it undoubtedly will not work with the People’s Republic. Beijing’s defenders often complain of comparisons of China with other regimes, but we are seeing in that country a dynamic exhibited in the most dangerous states, a growing desire for territory controlled by others.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinaaggression; japan; okinawa; redchina
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This is two years old but pertinent to the unfolding China Sea confrontation. This came up as the Mahdi was getting his second imaculation set up.
1 posted on 06/27/2014 11:57:16 AM PDT by robowombat
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"Bathhouse" 0'Jihadist's latest triumph, giving away Okinawa and the South China Sea.
He's a stinking piece of $hit...

2 posted on 06/27/2014 12:02:52 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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They want to secure the seaplanes required for a secure superpower and that means ejecting the US Navy from the East and South China Seas.

They want us tooling around near Midway and no closer.

Basically the Japan of the 1930’s is the China of today, but with over 100 million pissed-off, permanent bachelors.


3 posted on 06/27/2014 12:08:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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SEALANES not freaking SeaPlanes.

freaking spellcheck.


4 posted on 06/27/2014 12:08:49 PM PDT by gaijin
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China Now Claims Japan’s Okinawa

Given the threat and the traitorous usurper in the white hut, Japan and South Korea will regret not developing their own nukes.

5 posted on 06/27/2014 12:10:48 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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Don’t you just love living in a 3rd world country with a weak leader who lets other countries push us around.


6 posted on 06/27/2014 12:12:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Note this article is two years old. I stumbled on it today. Have you seen this reported anywhere else?


7 posted on 06/27/2014 12:13:26 PM PDT by robowombat
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What would the Communist in Chief do with a war in the Pacific?


8 posted on 06/27/2014 12:15:48 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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No, but I saw a curious report on Japan World News that China was participating with the US and Japan, despite “tensions” in the South China Sea, in biennial naval exercises. Nothing like letting them know our tactics in advance. Thanks Barry!


9 posted on 06/27/2014 12:19:23 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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I was there for 4 years. They would have to sneak up on the 88th TFW, and I assure you that is not going to happen.


10 posted on 06/27/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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Will 0bama abandon the bases we have in Okinawa as a rpelude?


11 posted on 06/27/2014 12:25:34 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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“freaking spellcheck.”

Spell czech is knot yore friend!


12 posted on 06/27/2014 12:30:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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The model for this is UK vs. Argentina for the Falklands/Malvinas:

The British demonstrated to the Argentines that they COULD super stretch the range of the Vulcan to bomb airfields used by the Argentine military on the Falklands:

For this reason the Argentine air defense of the captured Falklands had to be launched from the Argentine mainland, where they had robust air defense.

The original Chinese objective was the Senkakus, but Okinawa is nearby and any Chinese seizure of one or all of the Senkakus would soon be ejected or heavily taxed by nearby US forces on Okinawa.

For this reason the Chinese probably believe they’d have to also seize Okinawa in order to seize and later also hold the Senkakus.

What is more, China would almost certainly also have to seize the Miyako island chain, where Japan’s legal claim is totally undisputed and where 50,000 Japanese people live.


13 posted on 06/27/2014 12:35:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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They would have to sneak up on the 88th TFW,
and I assure you that is not going to happen
unfortunately, that may have been before 0'Jihadist was in office...
with him shuffling his people in..(careerists)..All the cards are off the table.

14 posted on 06/27/2014 12:40:20 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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Right now the US Navy spends a lot of time sailing around west of the left red line.

They want us east of the right-most red line:


15 posted on 06/27/2014 12:42:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Don Corleone
What would the Communist in Chief
do with a war in the Pacific?
well, he'd enjoy it...

16 posted on 06/27/2014 12:43:41 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: robowombat

Ok, well I’m claiming Hong Kong for myself, so there :P


17 posted on 06/27/2014 1:05:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Taiwan has all ready been abandoned, and Taiwan surrendered to PRC.

ChiComs say they own Australia as well.

Hu Jintao made statements in Australia a few years back that staked the ChiCom claim.

They went over every one’s head, but they are there.


18 posted on 06/27/2014 1:06:36 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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Note the article date: 25 July 2012
19 posted on 06/27/2014 1:47:12 PM PDT by fso301
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There are ancient texts talking about Chinese seafarers visiting Mexico about 1400 years ago. Maybe we can spread talk of China having a claim on Mexico. Then all those pesky gate-crashers from down south will have somewhere else to go other than the USA once China takes over Mexico.


20 posted on 06/27/2014 9:12:46 PM PDT by roadcat
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