[Q-ManRN]

More proof that universal background checks are not universal and that these gun control proposals are "universal" nonsense. A lot of people fail to grasp the premise underlying our background check system: namely that people who choose to undergo a background check are people who choose to obey the law. Criminals who use illegal means to obtain weapons are not undergoing background checks no matter how many more laws we pass that will not change.

[Q-ManRN]

Gun control/Oregon shooter ping.

[Mr. Quarterpanel]

I agree with the premise that background checks do not and have not prevented tragedies like this.

I do wonder where he kept the rifle that it could be so easily stolen? Was he propping open a door with it?

I am paranoid enough that I keep my firearms secure. I would never want to enable a nut-job or a gang banger using a weapon of mine.

[ThunderSleeps]

You're right. It is folly, utter folly to think that so-called "universal" background checks will be anything of the sort. Straw purchases are already illegal, basically anything involved in transferring a firearm to someone that couldn't pass a background check is already illegal.

Anyone who thinks "universal" background checks will stop illegal firearms transfers - I invite you to consider a "universal prescription" law. Do you think requiring all drug transfers have a doctor's prescription would stop the illegal drug trade? No, of course not. Well, the belief that "universal background checks" will have any similar impact on illegal firearms is exactly the same kind of idiocy.

[umgud]

Why all the hype? The media are treating this like a mass shooting. He killed one, injured one and off’d himself.

[Iron Munro]

If laws worked we wouldn’t have an illegal alien as president.

[JimRed]

But remember, had the victim of the theft not had a weapon for the perp to steal...

< /sarc >

[Darksheare]

Laws only impact the law abiding.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Many years ago, in one weekend, there were six separate murders in San Francisco. No guns involved.

The mayor immediately called for more gun control.