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Delegates Begin Planning for Changes to U.S. Constitution [Mt. Vernon Assembly : See Article V]
Northwest Indiana Times ^ | June 12th, 2014 | Dan Carden

Posted on 06/12/2014 5:08:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie

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To: Faith65
only end up handing over more control . . .

I say Obama has assumed despotic powers. Do you agree?

He has established executive branch precedents that no election alone can reverse. These despotic powers will be in the hip pocket of all future presidents unless the people via their states in an amendment convention do something about it.

81 posted on 06/13/2014 5:51:46 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

The fix is easy just change the First Amendment to “Congress shall make no LAW.” and make it retroactive to 1789...


82 posted on 06/13/2014 5:59:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Jacquerie
"It's the nature of man to seek power, and those who legislate in the states are no different from those in DC."

That's very true. Allowing them the sole discretion of electing senators would be wrong. The 17th Amendment stays.

Members of the state legislatures lean further to toward big government than most of the rest of us with their property tax hikes without causes, impact fees, regulations against private property rights and industry, zoning ordinances against productive and honorable private activities (like new, small manufacturing shops),...

"At the Assembly of States meeting in Indianapolis, legislators are reminded that they do not have to put up with an abusive, all powerful national government. They can retrieve the freedom securing power of our original constitutional design."

They are in bed with the legislators and their favored constituents in DC. They would be more so, if they further controlled the Senate. They receive much of their funding for political activities from their mates in DC.

We don't need a house of lords. Governments like that of the U.K. are more socialist and corrupted by the effete than our own.

We'll cancel vacations (debt/revenues, fuel, etc.), build tiny houses (very low property taxes), become more independent with home energy (debt/revenues), work more for ourselves (debt/revenues), be more helpful to our better neighbors (true conservatives--not "as seen on TV") and more definitively denounce corruption, when the time is right.

As political bosses at all levels of plotting and scheming see, those measures are more powerful than votes. And as more decent Americans are made examples of (illegally persecuted and robbed, mostly at local levels), the temperature will be increased.


83 posted on 06/13/2014 10:37:29 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Pretty much works for me, but I worry about the detail. On the other hand it might be necessary to nail down every corner of the tent.

There is no good faith possible when dealing with statists.


84 posted on 06/13/2014 10:40:46 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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“... I worry about the detail ...”
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Yes, there is a struggle for a balance between general vs. detail.


85 posted on 06/13/2014 11:13:40 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie
"Spare me your gibberish and silly insults."

Reminiscent of attitudes of planning office clerks.

"From the beginning in 1776, the Framing generation experienced overly democratic state governments . The states relied on public virtue more than governmental structure to secure rights. Bad idea.

It didn't work well at all. For one, property was not secure. Personally moral men passed immoral laws that favored debtors and screwed creditors.
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Oh, those evil framers, trying to prevent honorable justice like the following.

Pennsylvania mom of 7 dies in jail over unpaid school-related fines
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3167306/posts

See the rate of increase in political warming and economic cooling. There's not enough time for the bureaucratic effort to change our Constitution. Maybe public servants should assume proper servant postures, before their offices are closed for lack of funds.


86 posted on 06/13/2014 11:15:08 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Repeal The 17th; MRourke85; Travis McGee

“... Don’t do this! ...”
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“What are you afraid of?”

My initial response to this effort is to be in favor of it. However in some of Matt Bracken’s books, he has seemed to indicate some strong reservations to such an effort. I am carefully considering the fact that someone of his standing and unquestioned patriotism has strong reservations.

I am at this point declaring myself willing to be convinced - yay or nay.


87 posted on 06/13/2014 1:25:17 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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You need to read this book: The Liberty Amendments by Mark R. Levin.
88 posted on 06/13/2014 2:18:50 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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Your’re right, I really have been meaning to get that book. No transportation available to me, but I’ve ordered it from my local library, who deliver books to members via their mobile library on wheels bus. Whatever it takes to get Mark’s books!


89 posted on 06/13/2014 11:17:07 PM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme
"I really have been meaning to get that book."

Good! When you read it, you will find that Mark Levin began this movement with that book. The legislators who attended the first conference at Mt. Vernon all signed a copy of The Liberty Amendments and presented it to Mark!

90 posted on 06/14/2014 11:48:23 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: itssme

By the way, Ted Cruz has also endorsed the Convention of States movement.


91 posted on 06/14/2014 11:55:15 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I listen to Mark every night..I now know what you’re referring to. Definitely a Oops! moment on my part.


92 posted on 06/14/2014 10:20:36 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Yes, I know about Ted’s endorsement and his conversations with Mark Levin on the subject. Two Conservative men, so admirable and accomplished, Ted Cruz and Mark Levin. Thank God we have both of them fighting for US and this country.


93 posted on 06/14/2014 10:25:07 PM PDT by itssme
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