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Study Finds Women Don't Belong in Combat
Aruz Sheva ^ | 6/11/2014 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 06/11/2014 12:21:35 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie

New book shows women in combat suffer much more serious non-combat injuries, alleges IDF cover-up.

A new book sums up 13 years of research on female participation in IDF combat units and declares the feminist experiment in the Israeli military a failure. “Lochamot Betzahal” by Col. (res.) Raza Sagi, a former infantry regiment commander, points to high rates of serious injury among women serving in combat units, and to involvement of radical political groups behind the scenes of the campaign for combat service by women.

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"The study found that a particularly high percentage of women who served in combat roles suffered physical harm during their service and will suffer for the rest of their lives from ruptured discs, stress fractures in the pelvis, uterine prolapse and more,” Sagi told Maariv/NRG.

While men also suffer injuries during their military service, he said, studies prove that the female rate of injury is much higher and that the seriousness of the average injury is greater, with entire platoons sometimes unable to function because of the physical state of the female soldiers. The injuries referred to are incurred in training and routine deployment – not actual combat.

"The idea that there is no difference between men and women in the army is a ridiculous one that has been disproved in all of the world's militaries,” Sagi insisted. “One cannot defeat evolution. In days in which a meaningful reduction of the defense budget is required – there is no doubt that the matter of placing women in combat roles requires reassessment.”

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(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: bhodod; bookreview; cicobama; militarywomen; womenincombat
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To: mdmathis6

There seems to be a mania for the most torured reasoning to fit the square peg of women in combat into the round hole of combat efficiency as though this is some sort of newly acquired wisdom that the armed forces simply cannot do without.

As a matter of POLICY, I think that MOST (not all) women should be excluded from the armed forces for the most part, with a few exceptions and COMPLETELY from combat and most combat support roles, particularly when the armed forces are a small percentage of the total population, as is the case now.

I mean no disrespect` to women members of the armed forces who have served their country honorably and well. I respect them as veterans and comrades in arms. Policy decisions are above their level for the most part.

The use of significant numbers of women should be reserved for large scale mobilization as was the case in WWII. Despite the fact that the US had over 16 million personnel in uniform, and that over 400.000 members of the Armed Forces died in the line of duty, against what was probably the most formidable battlefield enemies that the US has ever fought, who regularly inflicted defeats upon our forces for much of the war NO ONE seriously considered putting women into combat units, even when the need to replace the staggering number of infantry casualties in NW Europe forced the experimentation with racially mixed infantry platoons. The population base is more than twice as large now as then and there would be no problem securing a sufficient number of qualified men with appropriate incentives for such a relatively small armed forces as we have today.

Even the WW II Soviet example must also consider the 8 MILLION Soviet military dead, and even then the women at the front were largely circumscribed to medical personnel, select few aviation units and anti aircraft artillery. Infantry assault units were all but non existent.

The advantages for the armed forces, particularly the Army would be greater flexibility as to how personnel can be deployed in combat emergencies and other contingincies and a lesser logistical strain as involves clothing, barracks and housing, and innumerable other considerations that are exclusive to the maintenence of large numbers of women. I think morale and discipline would also be improved as well.

I have noticed the frequent references to carrying a wounded comrade off the battlefield under fire and at a dead run. That is a vital function of upper body (and lower body) strength and power. But the need for that strength manifests itself in other more routine ways as well. Such as clearing stoppages in automatic weapons, particularly when the cartridge case is even more stubbornly wedged in the chamber by fouling, corrosion from battlefield conditions, heat from continued sustained fire and innumerable other reasons. I recall having to use two hands to clear a stoppage on a Browning M2 MG in a firefight and I weighed 185 lbs and could do 25 proper pullups.. Packing up the heavy equipment during a forced rapid advance or retrograde movement when time is critical may also hinge on strength and endurance. Passing artillery ammo and powder charges, breaking and replacing track on armored vehicles, changing tires, opening crates, unloading vehicles, digging into defensive positions, and so on and so on. I regularly saw women in the National Guard who couldn’t perform most or any of these tasks or did so at an unacceptably slow pace.

Most of the men in my mech infantry unit in Vietnam had to perform what is an exhausting series of tasks when healthy. They often did these same tasks when weakened by diahrrea, dysentery, malaria and a host of other ailments. So whatever strength they had when well was degraded by their various illness(es). So if you have large numbers of people who barely meet the standard when healthy, imagine their performance when degraded by sickness. This happened to the soldiers of Merrill’s Marauders in the Burma campaign of WW II, but initially they had all been picked men, at or near the top of the Army physical standards and combat vets to boot. Even so they were utterly wasted by their arduous campaign at the end of it.

This apparent imperative to place large percentages of women in the Armed Forces is completely unnecessary and impelled by reasons other than those that deal with combat efficiency.. It will not be long before sex/sexual orientation, and gender commissars are appointed at unit level.

The courts have repeatedly ruled that the armed forces are exempted from many of the equal opportunity requirements of the civillian world, and for the very good and sufficient requirements that are unique to the armed forces. This contretemps is being propelled largely by the cultural marxist wing of gender equity feminism who wish for the placement of a leftist Chairwoman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The resultant detriment of the ability of the armed forces to fight plays no consideration in their calculus, other than as an peripheral side benefit.

I know that women have played a vital role during guerrilla, partisan warfare and sabatoge/espionage activity. But to deliberately employ them in ground combat units or other units whose primary task is to close with, engage and destroy similar enemy units is the height of lunacy and madness given the effort required to identify the relative few who could qualify even if we ignore the potential detriments to morale and discipline.


41 posted on 06/11/2014 8:18:00 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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42 posted on 06/11/2014 8:19:30 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: DMZFrank

To employ women in any combat roles at all would never be a first choice I would make.


43 posted on 06/11/2014 11:07:40 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: ansel12; Qiviut
A once-great nation engaged in mass delusion is headed for utter disaster.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 4:58:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

A once-great nation engaged in mass delusion is headed for utter disaster.

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On 9-11, I was listening to the news reports on the radio (internet was jammed up & useless) when I heard the Pentagon had been attacked. This wave of “cold” fear swept over me and I mean that literally - never felt anything like it. My mind was racing ... who could be attacking us here at home ... and with the Pentagon in flames, it was obvious what was going on in NY as well was an attack. I was mentally running through possibilities ... Chinese? North Korea? even Russia? What followed in quick succession was a very calm feeling - I KNEW Bush, the Commander in Chief, would handle it. I KNEW the military had all kinds of planning for various scenarios, and I TRUSTED them to take care of it. If something similar happens under this regime, I don’t have the same confidence. I hate to say that about the military, but Hagel is a disaster. Many top ranking military have been replaced with those tolerant to leftist politically correct cr@p that is damaging to both the way the military operates and morale. Then there’s the current CIC who is nothing but a surrender wuss and is a disgrace to the office and a traitor to the country after this latest AQ release political stunt. We’re past due for another homeland attack - I predict it’s coming across the southwestern border - if children can get across the border, terrorists certainly can with no problem. Good thing many citizens are still armed because we may end up have to fight this one ourselves.


45 posted on 06/12/2014 6:35:10 AM PDT by Qiviut ( Dave Brat was “Eric Cantor’s Term Limit” BOOM!! Yes, We the People CAN vote the b@stards OUT!!!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks! That made my morning. I wish I could blog, but an anonymous account on Free Republic is as close as I can get to that. You’re welcome (or anyone else is welcome) to take it and run with it if you want!


46 posted on 06/12/2014 7:39:28 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: DMZFrank
Such as clearing stoppages in automatic weapons, particularly when the cartridge case is even more stubbornly wedged in the chamber by fouling, corrosion from battlefield conditions, heat from continued sustained fire and innumerable other reasons. I recall having to use two hands to clear a stoppage on a Browning M2 MG in a firefight and I weighed 185 lbs and could do 25 proper pullups.. Packing up the heavy equipment during a forced rapid advance or retrograde movement when time is critical may also hinge on strength and endurance. Passing artillery ammo and powder charges, breaking and replacing track on armored vehicles, changing tires, opening crates, unloading vehicles, digging into defensive positions, and so on and so on. I regularly saw women in the National Guard who couldn’t perform most or any of these tasks or did so at an unacceptably slow pace.

Opening twist off lids on pickle jars is Mrs. FATC's nemesis. It will likely take one bad conflict -- that the US may lose because of social experimentation with its military -- for the lessons that physical strength still matters in many contexts to sink in.

47 posted on 06/12/2014 7:43:50 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Men and women are built differently? Who knew?!


48 posted on 06/12/2014 9:49:00 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: fishtank

Any society that sends its women to fight before it starts sending non-shaving boys and cane-borne old men deserves to be destroyed, and will be by a society that does not make that mistake.


49 posted on 06/13/2014 7:26:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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