Posted on 06/10/2014 7:11:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Canada-born U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has made good on a promise to renounce his birth country’s citizenship—doing so amid speculation he could make a run at the White House in 2016.
Spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said Cruz’s action became official May 14 and that Texas’ junior senator received written confirmation at his home in Houston on Tuesday. She said the tea-party-backed Republican “is pleased to have the process finalized.”
“Being a U.S. Senator representing Texas, it makes sense he should be only an American citizen,” Frazier said in an email. …
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Regrettably, you simply don't understand American citizenship law.
The two cases are not the same. And Ted Cruz' is an open-and-shut one -- he IS eligible.
it’s very simple:
You're right; it is.
a natural born citizen is a citizen naturally... AS THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES.
A citizen-at-birth is a natural born citizen. There is no alterative.
Ted Cruz was a citizen-at-birth. Whatever Canadian citizenship law might be has no bearing whatsoever on his American citizenship.
You really need to read up on the subject....
Yes I do. And yes I do. And yes, it has been decided by the Supreme Court.
Inserting a phrase that many take to mean that it meets the standards of Vattel, who was a Continental philosopher does not mean that Madison, who crafted the Constitution out of basic English Common Law, meant for it to be a separate standard of citizenship.
In fact, that interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen” is rejected by the Supreme Court on several occasions.
But those who continue to find need for that view continue to ignore the court cases where their argument is rejected outright.
So then what your saying is that Øbama could have been born on Uranus but because only his was mother an American citizen nothing else mattered. So then why did you let all the Birther stuff run rampant for years?
BTW, McCain was not born in the PCZ he was born at the public hospital in Colon about a mile from the Zone. The Navy hospital had not been built yet.
The Fourteenth only establishes that persons born in the US are birthright citizens, subject to narrow exceptions involving diplomatic immunity. It doesn't exclude from birthright citizenship persons born abroad.
Cruz and McCain are eligible, despite not having been born in the US, since they are citizens by birth as a result of their parent(s) citizenship.
The dividing line is between those who are entitled to citizenship at birth vs those who are not, but later acquired citizenship through naturalization, e.g., Kissinger, Schwarzenegger, Granholm.
Legislation can apply to those born abroad, but not to those born on US soil. The latter requires a constitutional amendment (anchors away, but that's another discussion).
Wow, you still think that you are a better constitutional expert than one of the best in the country (Cruz)?. Give it up man.... you've lost.
There are plenty of natural born citizens who have or had alternatives. Your statement is irrelevant. There are plenty of ways a natural born American might be eligible to be a citizen of another county.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000024
http://icapbridging2worlds.com/
http://www.kanada.diplo.de/Vertretung/kanada/en/02/citizenship/determining__citizenship.html
http://www.ehow.com/info_8285551_russian-citizenship-requirements.html
http://www.citizenship.gov.au/applying/how_to_apply/descent/
Bottom line: Neither being born a dual citizen nor being eligible to be one has any bearing on one's natural born status in the US. To believe otherwise is to cede US sovereignty to the furriners who write those bizarre laws and funny web pages!
There has been some misstatements in the thread above. Some have said that Cruz was born to US Citizen parents in Canada but only his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth.
Excerpt from a Washington Examiner article:
“The bottom line in the case of Cruz, who was born in Canada in 1970, is that his father was an immigrant from Cuba and not a U.S. citizen at the time of young Cruz’s birth, but his mother was born and raised in the United States.”
If both his parents were US Citizens at his birth, I think the argument for NBC is stronger. Also, the circumstances of the birth (Cruz’s parents established residence in Canada since Ted lived there the first 4 years of his life). I think you could even argue he had triple citizenship at birth - Cuban, USA, and Canadian.
Personally, I don’t think the NBC question has been truly answered adequately in the US courts. The SCOTUS should rule on this issue so that it can be put to rest once and for all...
four separate times the supreme court discussed natural born citizen. at NO TIME did they ever say someone being born in another country was a natural born citizen as that would be asinine.
seriously.
just like no anchor baby can be president, neither can someone born in another country.
you mean better then the guy trying to assume the office? that pretty much makes anything he says irrelevant.
have you ever heard of conflict of interest?
btw, the Constitution wasn’t written so only the high priests can comprehend its meaning. it was written in plain english. only those trying to wiggle around it find it confusing and in need of ‘expert interpretation’
I've seen long term posters get the zot over this issue.
/johnny
I have read these threads since I signed-up. Don’t know what to believe and I’m far from a constitutional scholar like the Hero of Benghazi.
It’s clear the supremes should have ruled a few years ago.
To let OB have a pass and then rule on Cruz is a formula for discrimination against Cruz and a disaster if the WON is ruled ineligible after the fact,
Love all of the Sen & Mrs Cruz pics! Thanks for posting ;)
the links you refer to define ‘by descent’ citizenship where a child of a foreign citizen can claim citizenship. this is how 0bama, MRubio and TCruz are ineligible for the office as they are also citizens of another country
TCruz just gave up his canadian citizenship for pete’s sake. what more do you need??
the founders wanted to insure no foreigner, at least by birth, could assume the office of the president. therefore, the parents had to be US citizens (which includes dropping foreign citizenship and swearing allegiance if they immigrated) at the time of the child’s birth... which also had to be on American soil
hell, we’ve got some rocket scientists on this thread claiming you don’t even need to be born on the soil.
amazing.
seriously, if you’re willing to drop the Constitution the first time it’s not convenient, then stop pretending you’re a conservative. conservatives defend the Constitution, they don’t look for loopholes
the phrase ‘natural born citizen’ is not obscure or confusing. it’s also been commented on by the supreme court 4 times. it’s only ‘up to interpretation’ when you have people trying to wiggle around it.
2 citizen parents and born on the soil. it’s that simple.
you’re a US citizen because you can’t be anything else. making you a citizen of the country naturally, as you had no choice.
and?
sorry, i’ve defended the Constitution when the stakes were a tad higher then a ‘zot’
/johnny
sorry Jim. if someone is born in another country, they are a citizen of that country first, then whatever citizenship’s that may be conveyed by the parents second.
the fact that his mother was temporarily in Canada at the time is irrelevant. the link to US citizenship is by her and her alone. she was a US citizen for more then 5 yrs passed her 14th birthday, therefore she could transfer citizenship. but the moment he was born, TCruz became a canadian citizen and a US citizen. he may also be a cuban citizen as his father was a cuban at the time of his birth.
realize, the point of the clause was to insure no foreign royalty type could come over, have a kid (anchor baby), and then have that kid grow up to be the king of their country as well as potentially president of ours.
that was the whole point.
Like I said, you really don't understand American citizenship law. Please educate yourself on the subject.
The first thing you'll learn is that another country's citizenship laws have absolutely no effect on American citizenship law. Nor, I'm sure you'll agree, should they. <
Ted Cruz is an American citizen (a natural born one) because American citizenship law says that he is. What Canadian citizenship law (or, for that matter, Cuban citizenship law) might say is totally immaterial.
this is the same problem 0bama has/had in 2008 and 2012
0bama’s father was kenyan. at birth, this conveyed british citizenship under the ‘by descent’ concept.
0bama’s mother was 18 when he was born. she was ineligible to pass along citizenship as she was not living in the US for 5 yrs after her 14th birthday.
his only ‘solid’ grasp to citizenship at all comes from the claim he was born on the soil in hawaii. this has since been brought into question with a serious lack of credible proof... but many forged documents.
keep in mind, this is just for citizenship. this does not address his natural born citizenship status.
0bama cannot be a NBC as he is also british by decent. like myself.
the US didn’t allow dual citizenship prior to the late 60s and not completely until 1980.
most of the laws forbidding dual citizenship were struck down by the US Supreme Court in two cases: a 1967 decision, Afroyim v. Rusk ( http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Afroyim ), as well as a second ruling in 1980, Vance v. Terrazas ( http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Terrazas ).
i’m very aware of these laws, as they impacted my family directly. most Americans are ignorant of these issues, as they’ve never dealt with them
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