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Forbes: Why That Story About Irish Babies In A Septic Tank Is A Hoax
Forbes ^ | 6/09/2014 | Eamonn Fingleton

Posted on 06/10/2014 9:04:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Few of us are inclined to look a gift horse in the mouth, and that applies in spades to journalists running with a sensational news story. But even by normal media standards, recent reports about the bones of 796 babies being found in the septic tank of an Irish orphanage betray a degree of cynicism and irresponsibility rarely surpassed by allegedly reputable news organizations.

Although the media attributed the “dumped in a septic tank” allegation to Catherine Corless, a local amateur historian, she denies making it. Her attempt to correct the record was reported by the Irish Times newspaper on Saturday (see here) but has been almost entirely ignored by the same global media that so gleefully recycled the original suggestion.

Today the Irish Times has published a reader’s letter that has further undercut the story. Finbar McCormick, a professor of geography at Queen’s University Belfast, sharply admonished the media for describing the children’s last resting place as a septic tank. He added: “The structure as described is much more likely to be a shaft burial vault, a common method of burial ...in many parts of Europe.

“In the 19th century, deep brick-lined shafts were constructed and covered with a large slab which often doubled as a flatly laid headstone. These were common in 19th-century urban cemeteries…..Such tombs are still used extensively in Mediterranean countries. I recently saw such structures being constructed in a churchyard in Croatia. The shaft was made of concrete blocks, plastered internally and roofed with large concrete slabs.

[T]he verifiable facts that have emerged so far amount merely to a strong story for the media of one small country. The one “fact” that turned all this from a disturbing national story to a screaming global sensation is one that is almost certainly false.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bethanyhomes; bonsecours; duplicate; hoax; infanticide; maternity; orphan; prolife; tuam
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To: Tax-chick

The Katrina disaster infuriated me! So many lies about people. There was enough bad behavior but to write that people were shooting helicopters out of the sky? And mass rapes were occurring in the Super Dome? Has anyone apologized for those hoaxes?


61 posted on 06/10/2014 3:14:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Has anyone apologized for those hoaxes?

Honestly, I don't know. I just remembered the situation as I looked for an example of something I was willing to believe (though not strongly committed) because of prejudice.

However ... sweeping prejudgment about journalists ... I doubt anyone has experienced any consequences, even if they might have "apologized." That's the usual pattern with politicians and the media: they "apologize," they "take responsibility" ... but they stay in their positions, untouched, and the harm is not redressed. "What difference does it make now?"

62 posted on 06/10/2014 3:18:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!)
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To: AbnSarge

The president of any country represents that country. Both Ireland and the United States have loonies as president. They were elected by the people of those nations and we have to accept that this will influence how others think about us. And that Irish president loathes us and Israel.


63 posted on 06/10/2014 3:18:22 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein; AbnSarge
And that Irish president loathes us and Israel.

Funny, the United States president loathes us and Israel, too.

64 posted on 06/10/2014 3:29:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!)
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To: Tax-chick

True, true!


65 posted on 06/10/2014 5:22:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

While a lot of that is the organized left (the same people that protested against nukes and South Africa, etc.), it should not be surprising that a small formerly colonized people (the Irish) would side with a currently colonized people (the Palestinians). On Israel, it is America that is out of step with the World not Ireland. Americas one-sided sycophancy towards Israel probably looks as ridiculous to them as their ‘hatred’ looks to you.

The things Europe and much of the World dislikes about America are its: foreign policy (dominated by Israeli and Jewish interests) and its export of ‘democracy’ (actually multiculturalism - itself a very Jewish project, liberalism, feminism, and ‘gay rights’).

As to anti-Semitism: it is a silly phrase - no better than ‘Islamophobe’ - for anyone that dares question the actions or influence of Jews. Again makes sense that a small distinct ethnic group (the Irish) would be concerned about infiltration of their country by another distinct ethnic group (Jews). This is just like the way Israelis are rightly concerned with their demographics. What is the point of having your own country if it is not populated with or controlled by you. Indifference to demographics and belief in a ‘proposition nation’ is another strange American affliction.

As a note: Sadly the Irish, just like Americans, have allowed themselves to suffer population replacement via immigration. The Irish elite has adopted the Judeo-American values of ‘diversity’ and multiculturalism. So a fat lot of good its ‘anti-Semitism’ did.


66 posted on 06/10/2014 5:40:44 PM PDT by evilC
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To: evilC

In looking over your posts on other threads, I see you have a problem with Joooooooooz. An interesting coincidence that I posted articles about Irish anti-Semitism to you!


67 posted on 06/11/2014 5:33:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

68 posted on 06/11/2014 7:09:40 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: evilC; miss marmelstein
"it should not be surprising that a small formerly colonized people (the Irish) would side with a currently colonized people (the Palestinians)"

The comparison is problematic. Palestinian Israeli citizens can practice their religion openly, and without penalty; legal penalty; they can own land, own businesses, benefit from the same publicly-funded services as Jewish; they speak their own language if they care to, they can advocate for the policies they favor, they can vote, form political parties, and hold elective or appointed offices.

It was quite otherwise for the Irish.

69 posted on 06/11/2014 8:00:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interest.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think this love feast between the Irish and the Palestinians began with their own little Gerry Adams who was supplied guns by their terrorist organizations back in the 1970s.


70 posted on 06/11/2014 8:04:52 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I posted an article this morning that debunked this story. I knew it was BS when I read it last week. Just more crap from the Catholic hating media.....AP specifically.


71 posted on 06/11/2014 8:34:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But the Palestinians are not ruled by their own people in their own country. The desire to be ruled (if you must be ruled) by your own people and to have your own land seems a perfectly reasonable desire. It is true that the political analogy is not perfect, but the emotional one (and emotions drive as much of politics as logic) seems fair.


72 posted on 06/11/2014 9:57:24 AM PDT by evilC
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To: miss marmelstein

As a White (gentile) I have no real problem with Jews other than they are a distinct group whose interest may not always coincide with ours.

I admire them for their large achievements and strong cohesiveness. I just wish we (again I mean White gentiles) would both learn from them and not listen to them. Learn from them in defending our own racial, ethnic, and cultural interests. Not listen to them when they demand multiculturalism and diversity in our nations that they refuse to implement in their own. They have survived for thousands of years as a distinct group by always asking “is it good for us?” White gentiles would do well to copy that. So if I have a problem with the Jews it is that we are not more like them.

Recognizing a group as the other does not necessitate or even imply ‘hate,’ it merely recognizes there is an ‘us’ and there is a ‘them’ and our interest may not always coincide.


73 posted on 06/11/2014 10:25:20 AM PDT by evilC
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To: NKP_Vet

Where is it? Can you give me a link?


74 posted on 06/11/2014 11:18:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: evilC
"But the Palestinians are not ruled by their own people in their own country."

This strikes me as being dubious, as if I were to say, "Washington County(TN) should be a separate nation because we don't want to be ruled by Tennesseans: we want to be ruled by our own people in our own country."

In 1948 there were massive shifts of people immediately before, during, and after the legal birth of the State of Israel. A million Mizrahim (non-European, Oriental Jews) were forced out of Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Iran, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, Yemen, Libya, and these ended up being absorbed into the population of Israel, together with the European Jews who survived the Holocaust, on a tiny sliver of land.

Meanwhile, and in the opposite direction, Palestinians streamed out of Israel under wartime conditions imposed by Israel's neighbors (evacuation, voluntary fleeing from combat zones, and forced exile) and were NOT assimilated into the surrounding Muslim nations. They were crammed into stinking permanent refugee camps.

The combined territories of Arab countries is 650 fold greater than Israel. Yet they couldn't assimilate these people? Put another way, Israel is 1/650 the size of the surrounding Islamic nations --- they got the fingernail of the pinky-finger of the hand --- and yet they are supposed to give half of that fingernail to the Palestinians, just to be fair?

It makes no sense to me.

75 posted on 06/11/2014 11:43:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: RegulatorCountry
More mass graves

When a mass of people dies, they get buried in mass graves, Einstein. That part no one is denying.

76 posted on 06/11/2014 5:57:41 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
When a mass of people dies, they get buried in mass graves, Einstein. That part no one is denying.

You need to read on. There's plenty of denial.

77 posted on 06/11/2014 6:06:00 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I did read on:

One fact seems beyond dispute: conditions in Irish orphanages up to the 1960s, if not later, were positively Dickensian. Certainly the death rate at many was shockingly high.

How about yourself, read much?

78 posted on 06/11/2014 6:32:29 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

So, when was this mass die-off requiring a mass grave at that home in Tuam, annalex?


79 posted on 06/11/2014 6:35:25 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I don't know. All I know is that in poor countries children in crowded conditions may die and require a mass grave. A mass grave was used. A septic tank was not used.

There is a moral here for those who are increasingly bewildered by the modern world: the global media are becoming less and less accountable. Sometimes the truth eventually does come out, or at least some of us have sufficient knowledge to suspect the facts are misstated. But very often readers do not have the experience and worldly wisdom to see through the nonsense, particularly in interpreting reported developments in nations whose cultures diverge sharply from those of the West...

80 posted on 06/11/2014 6:40:36 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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