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Posted on 05/29/2014 10:38:28 AM PDT by aimhigh
Bishop Timothy A. McDonnell, leader of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Springfield, has joined with the three other bishops in Massachusetts to support a new comprehensive state bill aimed at combating gun violence in the state.
The Massachusetts Catholic Conference released a statement on behalf of the four Roman Catholic bishops in the state in reaction to the House’s new bill unveiled Tuesday. The other three leaders who signed the statement are Cardinal Sean O’Malley, archbishop of Boston; Rev. Robert J. McManus, bishop of Worcester and Rev. George W. Coleman, bishop of Fall River, according to Mark E. Dupont, spokesman for the Springfield diocese.
(Excerpt) Read more at masslive.com ...
The Bishops have the advantage of believing you DO have an obligation to be a victim.
Fortunately, the Second Amendment anticipated the importance of the citizens having the ability to discourage tyranny.
What are these jerks bellyaching about? It’s just about impossible for a law-abiding citizen to get a hand gun in Massatwoshits!
"Where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church"
You forgot wealth transfer. They're big on that too.
Wherever you got that from I never heard it. Have a lot of Catholicism in my family, education, history, community and background and ...
The fact is that the Church includes three entities: the Magisterium, the Bible, and Tradition.
None of this teaches that clergy telling the government how to change its laws, especially in opposition to what the Catechism states (Magesterium) and the same tenet applies to other activities taken on by people within the Church acting in ways that are not sanctioned by the Church
Humans are not saints and they can always err
But the Church is not the people in it, making it up as they go along
So, no, incorrect
I think most of the Bishops in the US are aligned with the Rat Party.
Yes, I'm Catholic, and I am disgusted by some of the pronouncements from the USCCB. My former Archbishop only spoke out about the Terry Schiavo case when I called the Archdiocese, and the Communications Office wrongly assumed that I was a reporter.
The Archbishop before him said his hands were tied when a "Catholic" University in San Antonio hosted a Pornographic Art Show featuring Angels having oral sex. It was only when wealthy non Catholic donors to the Archdiocese spoke out that he shut it down.
A heretical Nun was slated to speak at a Conference, and the promoters refused to take her off the list of Speakers. It was only when I contacted the non-hertical speakers who threatened to withdraw if Heretic Nun was slated to speak, that she was removed from the Conference.
It gets old, and I wish they would stick to Faith and Morals, and quit endorsing policies that cause Chaos.
CAIR makes the same argument when a muslim kills. It's not true Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion. When the official clergy are misbehaving, it's really hard to successfully distance the church. I stopped making excuses for the bad behavior of other humans. Root them out as you would with a weed in the grass. There will be more. Lather, rinse, repeat.
ROTFL! It's a famous quote from Ignatius of Antioch. You have a lot of Catholicism in your education, you say?
Ok. I’ll paste this again. It’s from the catechism, the constitution of the church, and, no , we are not living in post catechism times. Humans can stray from the rules leading others to do so but it is not right when it happens. The American bishops say what up assert they are saying, yes. But the church says the following:
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.”
And the Church would not impose itself onto our constitution to assert whom they choose should be authority. That the 2nd amendment states that individuals have that authority is unquestioned
And that entry in the Catechism has its roots in Romans:
Paraphrased:
“It is good to fear the sword of the state, for it has its purpose.”
‘A famous quote’ makes up cults and sects but not the 2000 year old Church
Here’s your famous quote from the site which includes a long list of material to “avoid, as these letters are spuriously attributed to St Ignatius’. And, I might add, all of the Vatican approved such documents and sittings, such as apparitions of saints and angels are as well outside of the Magesterium and are not required tenets of the faith. The Church exists without such statements, though a saint’s interpretation of the Church I do not ever question. Which is why your statement disturbed me
There are many like you who seek to sway others away from the faith by misquoting shamelessly, using mockery to defuse/bully and disarm and bring onlookers to your side through ridicule of others
Here’s St ignatius’ quote, which I’d never heard from three generations of Jesuits because it is utterly unremarkable when quoted instead of twisted as you had done:
“.... Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
I hope you will get off my case
Good. I am sure it is cited as a reference in the catechetical statement
Here’s the quote I chased after. I’ll bet you’re popular sending people on chases while you sit back and make them run around in search of logic.
“.... Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
Not the bishops
Yuck
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Would loose to many donations that way
Misquoting saints to make a heretical point in a news forum is not a problem for you
And calling those for whom it is a problem, dogs, is okay with you
Blechhhh!!
So why isn’t this a violation of the separation of church and government policy?
Sad to see the church jumping on the bandwagon of blaming guns instead of going into poor and high crime areas to help people out of their cesspool environment. Where I grew up churches and business organizations helped the less fortunate by supporting youth athletics. Maybe it wasn’t perfect but it was a lot better than we see with government handouts. It certainly kept a lot of juveniles off the streets and encouraged interaction between races and classes.
So far, I see nothing in this bill that would have prevented what happened at Newtown Connecticut. This is all smokescreen. The kid in Connecticut didn’t have to pass a background check. He owned no gun. He had no requirement for owning a gun or having a license. He was not a felon who could not own a gun.
Please tell me how this legislation would do any good at all for that which it is being put forward for.
To me, this is just more propaganda aimed at eventually disarming American citizens. Nothing more!
Well, the bishops represent the Church, but it is not Church teaching to interfere this way, and not on this issue.
Ugh
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