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Supreme Court rules in favor of police officers who fired to end high-speed car chase
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| 05/27/2014
| Kelly Riddell
Posted on 05/27/2014 9:31:07 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: PaulCruz2016
N00bie, you are self-identifying as a troll when you deliberately use the undistributed middle fallacy. Run along, fool.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:36:58 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: Rusty0604
"Unless its a fleeing armed and dangerous murderer they could send the license plate number out and catch them."What would stop a fleeing armed and dangerous murderer from hijacking a different car, or stealing a different license plate to put on his vehicle.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:37:41 AM PDT
by
Enterprise
("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
To: Rusty0604
Years ago my 20 year old stepson was a passenger of a car driven by a friend of his. His friend decided to run when he saw cop lights because he had warrants for unpaid traffic tickets. They ran into a tree during the chase and my stepson was killed.Very sad. Was he wearing his seat belt? Would it have made a difference?
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:38:22 AM PDT
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: Rusty0604
"The two drivers in this case werent even armed."I think that will change as more and more people are beat up, tortured, and killed by cops.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:38:47 AM PDT
by
The_Republic_Of_Maine
(Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
To: Rusty0604
Not armed with a gun anyway. The law says that using a vehicle to inflict serious bodily harm qualifies as assault with a deadly weapon. The driver was armed under the law.
(I make no assertions about whether or not the officers used justifiable force or should have been granted qualified immunity.)
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:39:46 AM PDT
by
BuckeyeTexan
(There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
To: MHGinTN
Run along, fool. Yes, I am the troll, when you're resorting to juvenile name-calling.
To: BuckeyeTexan
OK, so "force" is controlled by the 4th amendment? I did not know that.
Is that because the 4th amendment controls warrants for persons being seized, and forceable seizure vs. being secure in one's houses and effects is considered unreasonable when one is being fired upon for fleeing in a car?
I think I see the reasoning now.
-PJ
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:41:15 AM PDT
by
Political Junkie Too
(If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
To: PaulCruz2016
Ah, another leftist shill tactic, when caught being a troll, whine that someone is calling you a name rather than honoring you by addressing your stupid post.
Did the driver ram his vehicle into cop vehicle(s)? try and keep up, fool.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:41:45 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: Rusty0604
If the cops had quit chasing the car, wouldnt that ended the chase?So shooting to death the occupants of a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed makes the situation safer how?
Just asking a question I haven't seen asked yet and used your comment as a springboard.
To: Rusty0604
They ran into a tree during the chase and my stepson was killed. Just curious... who do you hold responsible for such a tragic death?
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:43:56 AM PDT
by
loboinok
(Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
To: <1/1,000,000th%
The officers were not prosecuted. This was a civil case filed by the driver’s daughter alleging that the officers used excessive force. The officers claimed qualified immunity.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:45:07 AM PDT
by
BuckeyeTexan
(There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
To: MHGinTN
Let you whiners whine, stop the perp before they kill citizens. You mean like how the cops killed the citizen in the passenger seat who's only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
To: bayliving
Yes, had the driver lived and the passenger died, the legal charges against the driver would have included the death of the passenger. Whine to someone else. maybe the n00bie will give your ego some stroking.
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:54:37 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: Rusty0604
You are a winner! The police can stop any high speed chase every time if they stop chasing.
helicopter? Drones? Police radios.
Don’t know the reason for this chase, but most chases are unnecessary and dangerous to everyone!
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posted on
05/27/2014 10:56:31 AM PDT
by
faucetman
( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
To: MHGinTN
Whine to someone else. maybe the n00bie will give your ego some stroking. It is my fervent prayer that your cold hearted, smart mouthed, callous a$$ is caught up in a situation similar to this.
To: Political Junkie Too
OK, so "force" is controlled by the 4th amendment? There are four different standards to determine what constitutes a government officials use of excessive force, depending on the circumstances. These are variously grounded in the 4th, 8th, and 14th amendments to the United States Constitution.
The constitutional standards for permissible force depend entirely upon the custodial status of the alleged victim of forcethat is, whether the victim is a pretrial detainee (one whom the government has probable cause to believe has committed a crime but has not yet been convicted, and who is confined in a jail prior to trial2), a convicted criminal, or a free citizen.
- A pretrial detainee is protected under the 14th Amendments right to substantive due process, and to violate the Constitution the officials use of force must be conscience-shocking (with two separate culpability standards depending on whether the situation is an emergency, or not);
- An incarcerated convict is protected under the 8th Amendments cruel and unusual punishment clause, and to violate the Constitution the officials force must be used maliciously and sadistically with the very purpose of causing harm; and
- A free citizen is protected under the 4th Amendments search and seizure standard, and to violate the Constitution an officials use of force must not be objectively reasonable.
Source
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posted on
05/27/2014 11:02:09 AM PDT
by
BuckeyeTexan
(There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
To: bayliving
;^) You're so kind. LOL, and what a new way to whine the more!
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posted on
05/27/2014 11:06:10 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: Iscool
Because of these reasons, many, many police forces years ago instituted policies prohibiting officers from firing from a moving vehicle at another vehicle. This was just a police force protecting a fellow officer who endangered the public with reckless behavior.
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posted on
05/27/2014 11:08:37 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
To: faucetman
By ramming a vehicle into a police vehicle a perp is demonstrating the use of a weapon with intent to do bodily harm or kill. ‘Choot ‘um’
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posted on
05/27/2014 11:08:47 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
To: bayliving
She had the opportunity to exit the vehicle. Wonder why she didn’t?
“As he did so, Evans and Plumhoff got out of their cruisers and approached Rickards car, and Evans, gun in hand, pounded on the passenger-side window. At that point, Rickards car made contact with yet another police cruiser. Ibid. Rickards tires started spinning, and his car was rocking back and forth, ibid., indicating that Rickard was using the accelerator even though his bumper was flush against a police cruiser.”
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posted on
05/27/2014 11:10:12 AM PDT
by
BuckeyeTexan
(There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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