We TOLD him to quit watching H2; but NOOOooo....!
Posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by marthemaria
Pope Francis would absolutely baptize an alien from Mars, if one showed up at the Vatican and asked for it. During his weekly homily on Monday, Franics said that aliens — which he imagines could be "Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them" — should be baptized just like anyone else who asks for it, because it's not up to any human to decide who should receive the Holy Spirit.
In other words: if God prompts some Martians to come to Earth, find the Pope, and say "we want in on this Catholicism thing." The pope would probably say "OK. cool." But probably in Latin.
Francis laid out the hypothetical situation as part of a discussion of the early Church's baptizing of Gentiles. Basically, the earliest Church contained some tension over whether there was any difference between the very early Jewish followers of Christ, and Gentiles who converted from paganism to Christianity, who would be considered "unclean" by the standards of Jewish law. Peter eventually persuades his followers that everyone is open to becoming Christian by saying, "If then God gave them the same gift He gave to us when we came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?"
So here's how Francis tried to illustrate that point on Monday, with a much more modern example:
That was unthinkable. If – for example - tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"
What would happen? They'd get baptized, that's what would happen. He goes on:
"When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, 'No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, lets do it this way'... Who are we to close doors? In the early Church, even today, there is the ministry of the ostiary [usher]. And what did the ostiary do? He opened the door, received the people, allowed them to pass. But it was never the ministry of the closed door, never."
The Vatican's astronomer — the same one who dismissed 'Intelligent Design' as 'bad theology' — said in 2010 that he'd baptize an alien because "any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul." But, again, only if they request it. So glad that's settled. Now all we have to do is wait.
Yup, the whole incident smells of set up, someone trying to play gotcha with The Vicar. Homo degenerates are prone to do that now, very publicly.
Actually, this hypothetical is a good exercise in that it is requiring us to re-evaluate our knowledge and belief about salvation and Jesus sacrifice for us. His sacrifice is solely for the descendants of Adam. If some other folks in some other universe is under some curse because thier “adam” sinned, then they too will have a savior. Except according to the bible there is only Jesus.
This begs many questions, some of which strike at whether there can be any other creatures in the known universe and our reality that need such a savior.
But more importantly, the discussion forces us to see what He says in His word about our salvation.
That is a good thing.
Only in matters of faith and morals.
But I remain steadfastly refusing to engage in discussions (arguments) on "faith threads."
Insanity, in varying degrees, is simple much more common than commonly accepted.
What if God sent Jesus, in their form, to that race? Are you saying God couldn’t do that?
What if God sent Jesus, in their form, to that race? Are you saying God couldn’t do that?
Wait...
At least the converted aliens wouldn't see their former traditions vilified constantly in Catholic media, as one fundamentalist convert did.
And since Adam and Eve and original sin are just allegories, they'd need baptism just as bad as anyone else.[/sarcasm]
Yeah.
What you are really arguing is that there can’t be life created in God’s image anywhere else.
That’s an interesting argument against ET’s.
And I will add, that if there is life out there also created in God’s image, they did not fall, according to what you are saying.
What I'm saying is that any intelligent life not descended from Adam would not have "fallen" with Adam, and would not need chrstian salvation at all.
That’s an interesting argument against ET’s.
No, it's simply another argument against the mythologization of Genesis 1-11, which is what all the fuss about ET's is.
You'd get a fight on your hands, for they really HATE getting bet!
LOL!
I don't accept it, so I cannot comment it.
Until someone demonstrates it as a physical reality.
Before getting too excited, however, please accept that responding "you haven't the capacity to understand it" is the classic tool of the delusionally insane, too.
So you are saying there could be ET’s created in God’s image, but they would not have fallen - could not have fallen.
You'd be WRONG! Buster!!
The MORMONs have probably already been proxy baptized for any DEAD Aliens!
I agree.
LIghten up; Francis!
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