Posted on 05/12/2014 8:12:34 AM PDT by mgist
MAY 12, 2014 Legalize ALL Drugs, Not Just Cannabis
IMAGE: LAubade, Pablo Picassso
I was entertaining a customer in our cannabis vapour lounge (420 Session) a couple days ago. We had the usual chit chat and banter about potwhat kind I like, what kind of vaporizers are best, you know, the usual. Then the War on Drugs came up, and after taking a hit from his bong, the customer (who I suppose I assumed was more open-minded, as he was a university student, studying political science hanging out in a vape lounge, consuming cannabis) said Weed should be decriminalized, but nothing else.
I told him I disagree. I told him I think ALL substances should be legal, not just decriminalized, and not just the helpful/harmless ones like cannabis, psilocybin, and LSD.
Even HEROIN?! he questioned incredulously, whispering the heroin part because he didnt want anyone to overhear the taboo word.
Especially heroin, I replied.
Thats when the conversation turned into a one-sided debate, (at least from my perspective it was one-sided; I shoot down prohibitionists as easily as fish in a barrel). He was armed with the typical prohibitionist rhetoric: What about cartel violence and criminal element? Why should I care about a junkie?! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?!
First, its important to understand and accept that even though most drugs are illegal right now, people still do them. Making something illegal does not make it magically go away. Some users hold down regular jobs, and get up and go to work every morning. They drive on our roads, and stand behind us in line while we are waiting for our coffee. They may even be telling you what to do all day while you are at work, or teaching your children in school. They may be running one of the largest cities in North America.
Drug use is not only reserved for the seedy, underground dealings that after-school specials from the Reagan-era would have you believe. We need to accept that drug users live among us already, and accommodate our reality. Here are 5 good reasons to consider legalizing all drugs:
Drug use is a public health issue, not a criminal one. The end users are the easiest targets for police, with most suffering from serious physical and mental health issues. Its easy to understand that dirty needles spread diseases; well thats only part of it. Drug users also typically fail to seek out traditional health care for anything, because of the negative stigma attached to their drug usethey are afraid of being reported or turned in, and suffer alone instead. Without places like inSite, the safe-injection facility in Vancouver, users have no means to exchange dirty needles for clean ones, or educate themselves, or reach out for help when they are ready. Instead of providing them the resources they need to help themselves, we brand them criminals and force them to sort out their issues while incarcerated in a tiny cell. How is that rehabilitating them? How is that helping? Why is compassion reserved only for the sick and dying in hospitals? Ending prohibition will help these people get help and lead productive, responsible lives.
Drug use is a victimless crime, but the drug trade isnt. Cartel and gang violence is on the rise because they have something to fight over. There are many civilian casualties in this war, and the cartels are winning, by getting help from places you wouldnt expect. Between 2000 and 2012, The Sinaloa cartel had made a special arrangement with the US government that allowed them to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs into the US in exchange for information about rival cartels. Meanwhile, over 77000 people have died since Mexico started its War on Drugs. The authorities have all either been corrupted or intimidated by the cartels. As a result since 2012, vigilante groups made up of civilians are rising up and forming their own militias. So you have cartels fighting each other, the government, the people, and anyone who gets caught in between. This war spills into US and even Canada, because the drugs come from the cartels to our local black markets causing unneeded violence within our communities as well. Ending the prohibition will cut these cartels off at the knees, and will help stem some of the violence.
Drug prohibition gives children easier access to dangerous drugs; the children are more likely to overdose because of it. When was the last time you saw a drug dealer ask someone for their ID? The only thing a drug dealer requires is that their customer has money. Plus, dealers arent really concerned with the dosage; they want to sell as much as they can. They arent concerned with quality (which will also vary from dose to dose) unless telling you its better will guarantee their sale. Your children are not given a sterilized setting, with single-use needles and nurses available to administer and educate about the medication. Content also may vary from dosage to dosageone may think they are purchasing a certain drug, when in fact they are purchasing a much cheaper substitute that has been cut with toxic chemicals and made in someones bathtub (do some reading on krokodil). In a clinical setting, opiates are rebranded as pain relievers and prescribed as Demerol to help women in labor. Amphetamines are rebranded as stimulants and prescribed as Adderall to help your kids focus. While there is no doubt that prescription pill use can lead to overuse, at least we arent concerned about consistency from pill to pill because it is regulated. Ending prohibition will mean there will be restricted access to children and some quality and quantity control. Drug prohibition is the new form of slavery.
Non-whites are disproportionately targeted for drug arrests, even though whites are just as likely to be in possession of, or using drugs. Mandatory minimums are imposed on crack cocaine and methamphetamine offenses, and are designed to target Blacks and Hispanics respectively. Young men and women throughout the US and Canada are locked up for non-violent drug offenses, and are officially entered into the system. The best part about getting into the system is that you are in the system for life, even after you leave prison. In the US, inmates dont have right to vote, which means while they are incarcerated and disenfranchised, they dont have a voice. In most states, disenfranchisement doesnt end until after probation is complete (if it ever does). After leaving, they have to submit to regular monitoring and drug-testing (which is a huge industry in itself), and are given conditions, which for some are impossible to follow. How are these people expected to find a job they always have to say they are a felon on every application? If (and when) they fail (because the system was designed for them to), they have to start the process all over again. Some prisons are even profiting off having bodies in their beds (luckily none here in Canada anymore, but plenty in the US) and throw money at lobbying the government for stiffer sentencing and mandatory minimums to help keep them there. Prison guards make more than school teachers. Ending prohibition will give the disenfranchised a voice, and a better opportunity to lead a productive and independent life.
Drug prohibition inhibits the police from investigating violent crimes. There is no financial incentive for police to investigate murders and rapesthey dont receive a reward, their department doesnt get any larger, no extra jobs are created. It infringes on the art of the investigationthe romantic idea of what I think police work isdusting fingerprints, finding clues, asking questions, getting the bad guy, that sort of thing.
In drug raids, all they need to do is knock down the door with a battering ram, no romance necessary. When crimes happen to people in the drug trade, police dismiss their case as another drug deal gone wrong without doing a full investigation. Look at what happened with the Waltham St. Murders in Boston in 2011 if the police had taken the triple homicide seriously, perhaps the Boston Marathon Bombing could have been prevented. Ending prohibition will help police focus on violent criminals like rapists, pedophiles and murderers.
The drug war has been an expensive experiment costing well over a trillion dollars so far. Its time to truly concede defeat.
Why did you create “injection clinics” at all?
Junkie culture exists because of heroin, not because it is illegal, junkie culture won’t disappear just because you tell them they can carry it in their pocket now, and buy it at the 7-11.
I don’t know why you think legalizing all drugs and all future drugs, and drug cocktails, and marketing and advertising them and the new drug combos will result in a more “fixed” in place percentage, that will thin itself out through deaths and overdoses.
We’ve spent billions protecting fools from the Darwinian consequences of their personal choices and lost a good bit of the Constitution in the process. Screw ‘em; put a 55-gallon drum of heroin and/or crack on every street corner and wait six months. Problem solved and society improved.
It’s just the way life works.
The four choices (really three, but for the sake of explaining my thoughts to you...) if heroine is legalized:
(1) Try and at some point, die from it.
(2) Try and not die, remain lifetime addict.
(3) Try, not die, then choose to quit because it is a waste of their life.
(4) Never try it, never die from it, never get addicted to it.
Look at smoking. Many have stopped smoking because it wastes their money, shortens their lives, and makes their life insurance higher. The very same effect will apply to heroine, except heroine is actually less addictive than nicotine.
Plus, if you do your research, even with the illegal use, gigantic police budgets to combat drug use, and all the deaths, in monetary considerations, alcohol is the most expensive drug ever. Opiate users don’t even mildly compare!
Make it legal, and the junky community aspect will fall apart. It won’t be cool any more. It will just be one more thing you can now destroy yourself with legally. Natural social deterrent.
Your nightmare scenario of most of the population of the US becoming heroine users is completely unfounded. Even with the coolness factor among junkies, heroine, while very popular in that community, is nothing as bad as alcohol.
We will have more junkies, not fewer.
Also, don’t start making bald faced lies, and phony positions, “Your nightmare scenario of most of the population of the US becoming heroine users is completely unfounded.”
You made that up out of thin air, you showed your true level of intellect trying that stunt.
I wouldn’t mind them repealing the 2005 Andro ban. That was grade A idiocy there...
Years ago, I'd wager we had a much more moral population. Decades of laws trumping morality have damaged the moral compass of large segments of the population enough that compared to the times when we had no drug laws, no open homosexuality, little birth out of wedlock, and single mothers were known as "widows", I can't honestly say I expect similar behaviour today to what happened then.
We also didn’t have all problems, all at once, like opium dens in 1775 Virginia, instead of 1875 in San Francisco.
Bald face lie? You really think every American in the USA is going to become a heroine junky? That’s a bald faced lie. I am not sure why you can’t look at prohibition and see what a disaster it is. Or look at the cartels pulling in Billions in Mexico, all because we as a people like to pretend that human behaviour as regards feel-good chemicals can be regulated.
You are the one attempting to deceive others, but even worse, you have already lied to yourself.
You are so obsessed with taking other people’s freedoms because you are afraid they will make bad decisions, and therefore shouldn’t be able to make such decisions, because that decision may not be yours, that you can’t see you are basically a tyrant in waiting.
Arguing with you is pointless, as you have already decided, without researching the subject. If you will note, heroine is now becoming the go-to drug of choice for older adults, because prescription opiates are being tightly controlled. So case in point: heroine use is really opiate use, and it appears to be a somewhat constant level, it’s just shifting out of the legal pain killers market, and into the illegal heroine market, because illegal stuff turns out to be cheaper and easier to get! But remember the key is SHIFT. There is not much evidence that opiate use is dramatically increasing, the demand is just shifting the cheapest and easiest to get option.
But you are set on your opinion as being the law of the land, so hey, “Imagine” you are the tyrant who would take everyone’s freedoms to control the consumption behaviour of just a few people.
What are you going to do when something better than opiates, cocaine, crack, ice, meth, and every other dramatically powerful drug is supplanted by simple to download code to a neural interface in your brain? Or virtual reality sex through neural interfaces? Will tyrant Ansel12 also outlaw that as well, simple data exchange? It’s coming, get used to it. May as well let the opiates have their last hurrah.
If you aren’t lying, then show me the quotes.
It is amusing to see such a passionate heroin promoter on FR, and him raging along as though it being against the law is some new, crazy idea from a fringe candidate or something.
A concern is that what I am hearing and what the official story is, are not exactly coinciding.
That anyone in their right mind would open the market to any more addictive and destructive drugs, especially ones with such a horrible track record is amazing to me.
Alcohol, cigarettes bad, but heroin OK? Really??
Not long after the Great Society kicked in, smack became a tool of destroying entire black communities (not being racist, that just seemed to be the place it hit hardest). With the erosion of the family values in those communities by welfare and the absolution of responsibility and stripping of authority of males in the community, the destruction was devastating in a social sense.
Now, other demographics family values have been subject to attack in pop culture, and the Caucasian male has been torn down on TV and by the constant meme of 'evil white male', so maybe the reintroduction of Heroin to the streets is designed to perform similar destruction in a white community with its family values eroded by divorce, unemployment, and dependency on the State. It would be coming at a time when many people's self-respect is at a low, and that is fertile ground to grow addiction in.
These things do have a pattern, and although it is stretched out over decades, it seems to be repeating, (not that any community will be well served by the reintroduction of smack).
The other addictive drugs have their target demographics: cocaine was for yuppies, MDMA for ravers and the young club set, crack was more of a street drug, Meth--any fool who would want to go faster.
LSD and mushrooms for those who wanted to be elsewhere...
Turn all that loose on a youthful population with little moral guidance from official sources, and who isn't in rehab or addicted will be struggling to keep their family clean, their neighborhood decent, and their self, family, and stuff safe.
No good would come of it, but drug lords and those on the take would get rich.
Having witnessed the destruction wrought, I wonder how any moral person could claim legalizing and taxing it (thus building government on the abject and avoidable suffering of others--if not the addicts, then those around them) is a good idea.
Those dealing it are the ones who gain, deal with them in the most harsh terms. For the users, rehab can take a year or more if successful. That is going to outweigh the gains, because the addicts aren't going to be the ones picking up the tab.
Libertarianism is the childish fantasy of just ignoring all drugs, those that exist, those that cartels and laboratories and garage chemists can up with in the future, and any combination they can come up with, and also the free marketing and advertising of those drugs.
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