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No Surprise As East Ukraine Cities Vote Against Kiev
Forbes ^ | 5/12/2014 | Kenneth Rapoza

Posted on 05/12/2014 5:06:13 AM PDT by McGruff

Eastern Ukrainian cities voted to inch closer Moscow and further from Kiev on Sunday, following in the controversial wake of Crimea, a Black Sea peninsula formerly part of Ukraine.

Between 94% and 98% of eligible voters in Ukraine’s eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk both voted for greater autonomy from Kiev, the head of the region’s Central Election Committee said on Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: donetsk; luhansk; ukraine
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To: McGruff

Okay, then what was your take on it?

Why do you think that was wrong?


101 posted on 05/12/2014 8:43:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kiryandil

I posted a correction, and your mischaracterization TCRLaf’s actions is a hoot. You jokers are a riot.


102 posted on 05/12/2014 8:45:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; McGruff
Why do you think that was wrong?

He said no such thing.

He just LOLed.

I suppose he was laughing with you, not AT you, Doughty, but we'll have to ask McGruff that...

103 posted on 05/12/2014 8:46:59 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne; tcrlaf
"and your mischaracterization TCRLaf’s actions is a hoot"

WTH? Is that some sort of DoughtyBonics?

How's about a translation, eh?

104 posted on 05/12/2014 8:48:38 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne
You still didn't answer if Svoboda being a Social Nationalist party is a legitimate party?

I am just asking you for your opinion on their legitimacy.

Secondly, why should the U.S. have anything to do with the Kiev gov’t if they are going to tolerate this political party and not throw them out? The commies were recently tossed from the parliament. Being a commie makes them illegitimate, just like Svoboda is illegitimate.

They could toss Svoboda for being anti-Semitic if they wanted to. But I guess commies talking about secession is worse than being anti-Semitic.

Do you think that Obama/White House should be able to decide which coups are (Ukraine) or aren't (Egypt) legitimate?

105 posted on 05/12/2014 8:50:02 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: dfwgator

Yep, he sure knows how to pick em! Just like others do, too...


106 posted on 05/12/2014 8:51:28 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: DoughtyOne

In summation, the only correct position on this is for you, me and evryone else to not root for either side in Ukraine.


107 posted on 05/12/2014 8:52:28 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: kiryandil

You can stay behind after class and do the erasers.


108 posted on 05/12/2014 8:54:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kiryandil

If it’s over your head, that’s okay.


109 posted on 05/12/2014 8:54:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm cut to the quick.

Thanx for posting that in English, BTW... LOL! :)

110 posted on 05/12/2014 9:01:11 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne

lol..
Whatever...
Coup...
Nazi’s...


111 posted on 05/12/2014 9:08:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: DoughtyOne
You still didn't answer if Svoboda being a Social Nationalist party is a legitimate party?

Since I don't know what the Svoboda party is in truth, I can't give you an answer on that quesiton.  There are a lot of folks using the word NAZI on the forum right now, and so much so that it's impassible to tell if it's being used legitimately in any particular instance.  Just a little earlier someone was calling the E.U. a NAZI organization.

I am just asking you for your opinion on their legitimacy.  This is what I stated.  LINK

Secondly, why should the U.S. have anything to do with the Kiev gov’t if they are going to tolerate this political party and not throw them out? 

You are now asking a question once removed, concerning an entity I already told you I was unfamiliar with.

The commies were recently tossed from the parliament. Being a commie makes them illegitimate,...

The commies were siding with Russia, trying to break away portions of the Ukraine.  That seems treasonous.  I"m not sure why this would not register with you.

...just like Svoboda is illegitimate.

Perhaps so, but I don't know that right now.

They could toss Svoboda for being anti-Semitic if they wanted to. 

Perhaps so, but I don't know what Svoboda is actually like, so I can't agree or disagree.

But I guess commies talking about secession is worse than being anti-Semitic.

Treasons generally trumps just about anything as nations go.

Do you think that Obama/White House should be able to decide which coups are (Ukraine) or aren't (Egypt) legitimate?'

I don't consider what took place in the Ukraine to be a coup.  Your cabinet losing confidence and resigning is not a coup.  It's merely a mass resignation due to a lack of confidence.

This happens in other nations too.  It's not a coup.

112 posted on 05/12/2014 9:08:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If the Ukraine were doing in reverse what Russia is doing, I would be siding with Russia.

This isn’t even a close call for me.


113 posted on 05/12/2014 9:10:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Sick. Secondly, you mean the Kiev regime, not “Ukraine.” You switch from “regions” to people, as if the Kiev gov’t owns these people in Eastern Ukraine. Are those in Kiev their slave masters? I don’t care for thug Putin, but the thug Kiev gov’t isn’t any better.

That's the nature of defending a nation's sovereign territory. Enemy troops have to be killed, preferably in large enough numbers to convince them that the cost is greater than the benefit. In the run-up to the Winter War, the Finns ended up killing over 100K Russian troops and allying with Hitler to keep the Russians out. We allied with the mass-murdering Russians during WWII, so perhaps helping Ukraine keep the Russian empire at bay via material aid is our chance to atone for our sins of commission back then. However, until Ukraine shows it's got the fighting spirit to whittle the Red Army down, aid should only be cautiously doled out, lest it be handed to the Russians in an ensuing surrender.

114 posted on 05/12/2014 9:13:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf; Laissez-faire capitalist
Check post #112.

He's kicking his own @ss... LOL! :)

115 posted on 05/12/2014 9:13:44 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DoughtyOne

“If the Ukraine were doing in reverse what Russia is doing, I would be siding with Russia.”

Russia is REACTING to events created by none other than BARACK OBAMA, and the US State department.

That they have out-thought, and out-maneuvered, the radical academics in the White House should came as no surprise to anyone that has been paying attention for a while.

Your blame should be directed at Obama for creating the situation, in reaction to getting spanked over Syria.


116 posted on 05/12/2014 10:09:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: DoughtyOne
I would be siding with Russia.

I knew you were a closet Putinista.

117 posted on 05/12/2014 10:14:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: McGruff

LOL Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy...


118 posted on 05/12/2014 10:18:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tcrlaf

The Ukraine has a right to choose to go any way it likes. Not Obama, or Putin or anyone else should be telling it what to do. U. S. troops were not brought in. E. U. troops were not brought in.

The E. U. and Russia each lobbied to get their way.

I don’t see it evil if Russia wanted to lobby to win. Where I do find it evil is when it calls in troops and annexes Ukrainian soil.


119 posted on 05/12/2014 10:27:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

“U. S. troops were not brought in. E. U. troops were not brought in.”

But U.S. MONEY, funneled though USAid, the Omidyar Networks, and the Soros Renaisance NGO’s was, and it was used to overthrow an elected government.

Don’t UKRAINIANS that opposed that action have rights, as well?


120 posted on 05/12/2014 10:38:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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