You need to stop reading Putin news releases.
Posted on 05/04/2014 10:00:09 AM PDT by Mariner
ODESSA, Ukraine (AP) — Hundreds of pro-Russian demonstrators stormed police headquarters in Odessa on Sunday and won the release of 67 people detained after deadly clashes in the Ukrainian port city.
More than 40 people died in the riots two days earlier, some from gunshot wounds, but most in a horrific fire that tore through a trade union building.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who hinted strongly that he saw Moscow's hand in the unrest spreading through southeastern Ukraine, visited Odessa on Sunday to try to defuse the mounting tensions.
Odessa is the major city between the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed in March, and the Moldovan separatist region of Trans-Dniester, where Russia has a military peacekeeping contingent.
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Russia built Odessa, and in fact it was Catherine the Great who named the city. It's population is at least 1/2 ethnic Russian.
I will not pretend to know how the majority in the region aligns politically.
Catherine the Great.... this is apparently Russian for a long time. Why are we meddling in Russia .....
The west has, once again, started civil war and once again is proving completely unable to control and win it. So we resort to whining ....
The unrest started in Kiev with western backed militants upset they lost an election.
One can suspect how they align now, after protestors were left to burn alive in a building.
Someone just posted photos over a crowd trying to save the people in that building. So “left to burn alive” is somewhat of a stretch.
OH great we going have scene of silent movie classic Battleship Polikatin pretty soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEE2UL_N7Q
I believe their argument is that Yanukovych and his party deceived the electorate.
Probably. And of course politicians never do that :).
In all seriousness I can think of myriad cases where we have started civil unrest in a nation and completely lost control of it. The State Dept and/or the Alphabet Agencies just cannot seem to win at this game.
When we go in with a huge military presence, like Afghanistan or Iraq, in the near term we certainly do wind up allowing governments favorable to ourselves to rise.
But I have yet to see us successfully do that with the more subtle approach. Usually we loose complete control and wind up letting some other group seize control. As, ultimately, we will do here too.
Ineptness is pretty much the only way to explain it, I cannot fathom its a strategy.
In fact Odessa was a long term Jewish enclave of Imperial Russia and USSR.
Can you think of any cases where Russia fomented civil unrest and then intervened, militarily?
No. Ethnic Ukrainians make up a majority 62% of the city of Odessa's population. Ethnic Russians are 29%. This according to the last census.
And Odessa Oblast has even a higher percentage of ethnic Ukrainians and lower percentage of ethnic Russians.
You need to stop reading Putin news releases.
As a member of the human race, in the 21st century, watching the potential for all of civilization to devolve into Nazi-style horrors. I'm sick at heart.
You pretty much nailed it, right there.
Egypt being the previous version...and Libya.
There WAS a Russian majority until WWII and the regions assimilation into the Soviet Union. Then many Ukrainians migrated there.
But it look like Russia stole it fair and square from the Ottoman Empire:
During the Russian-Turkish War of 1787–1792, on 25 September 1789, a detachment of Russian forces under Ivan Gudovich took Khadjibey and Yeni Dünya for the Russian Empire. One part of the troops came under command of a Spaniard in Russian service, Major General José de Ribas (known in Russia as Osip Mikhailovich Deribas), and the main street in Odessa today, Derybasivska Street, is named after him. Russia formally gained possession of the area as a result of the Treaty of Jassy (Iaşi) in 1792 and it became a part of Novorossiya ("New Russia").
Pro-Kiev Ukrainians making Molotov cocktails in central Odessa
Right Sector
Video shows despite clear evidence that pro-Kiev people started the fire, the mainstream media acts as though it's a mystery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1tykLCTVlw
Where in the video is the clear evidence?? I watched the first 2:30 and disn't see it.
How about the whole Shah of Iran debacle.... its non stop since at least then.
How about the whole Shah of Iran debacle.... its non stop since at least then.
I would add this all occurred after Russians attacked and killed unarmed Ukrainian demonstrators and the pro Russians were followed back to their camp and then the building.
I notice you make no mention of that.
I would add that the reports I have seen describe both sides throwing Molotov cocktails. Russians from the roof top. Ukrainians from down below. I would add this all occurred after Russians attacked and killed unarmed Ukrainian demonstrators. The pro Russians were then followed back to their camp and then the building.
I notice you make no mention of that.
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