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Federal court rules that stiff driving posture is suspicious behavior
Police State USA ^ | Posted on May 1, 2014 | Site Staff

Posted on 05/03/2014 11:24:54 AM PDT by granite

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To: granite

“ten-and-two position”

That is considered the safest position.

Reminds me of the time a police officer pulled a guy over because he was steering with only his left hand and had his right arm around his girlfriend who was sitting in the middle of the front seat of his pickup. The officer told the guy he needed to use both hands, upon which the guy informed the officer that he could not use both hands safely because he needed one hand to steer.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 12:37:57 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: granite
A panel of judges unanimously ruled that having hands at "ten-and-two" is suspicious enough to stop drivers inside the USA.

That's not what they ruled. Did you read the article that you posted?

22 posted on 05/03/2014 12:39:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: granite
Just being in the United States, and not being a part of the ruling class, is now deemed to be suspicious behavior.

But only to those in power who suspect that the ordinary people are fed up and are ready to throw out the ruling cartel.

-PJ

23 posted on 05/03/2014 12:41:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Your extract reminds me of Monk. Taken together, I’d say the guy was very tuned in and doing his job. The reasoning for the ruling seems flimsy when parsed like it is prior to your post but he correctly exercised reasonable deduction several times over. Thanks for the whole story.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: CedarDave; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; CougarGA7; ...

NM ping.

Hey you kids... Start Slouching.


25 posted on 05/03/2014 12:56:45 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: unlearner
"...he needed one hand to steer."

LMAO!

26 posted on 05/03/2014 1:03:12 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: granite

For the most part, the cops and judges/courts are all on the same team and have their wages and lottery style retirement pensions padded and funded by all the fines and taxes they can squeeze out of the peons...


27 posted on 05/03/2014 1:18:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: granite

Since having read that 10 and 2 is the safest driving posture, I’ve driven that way. The reason is that if the airbag is deployed, that you run the least chance of bodily damage.


28 posted on 05/03/2014 1:21:28 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Moonman62

A while ago someone compiled all the driving characteristics that judges have ruled are “suspicious” and could be used to justify pulling over the vehicle. They included driving faster than the speed limit, driving slower than the speed limit, and driving exactly at the speed limit.


29 posted on 05/03/2014 1:47:11 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Moonman62

Yea, I read it, it’s the second paragraph, highlighted in red.


30 posted on 05/03/2014 1:50:55 PM PDT by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left - Ecclest 10:2)
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To: granite

bfl


31 posted on 05/03/2014 1:53:53 PM PDT by snooter55 (People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do)
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To: granite

I saw an episode of “Cops” where they pulled over a car for putting the turn signal on more than 7 flashes before the turn.

Just sayin’ ...


32 posted on 05/03/2014 2:49:16 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: granite

Federal officers need their powers trimmed back. Just about any federal officer can stop any civilian for doing anything in any jurisdiction. It’s been like that since Reagan. States need to take back their power, and feds need to be neutered. Red states need to stop tolerating despotism, and maybe the other states will follow.


33 posted on 05/03/2014 2:51:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: granite
I'll help you out. Here is what they ruled.
“Driving stiffly, having tinted windows, slowing down when seeing law enforcement, and driving in an out-of-the-way area may be innocent conduct by themselves,” Judge Scott M. Matheson, Jr., wrote for the appellate panel. “But when taken together along with driving a vehicle with out-of-state plates in a mountainous smuggling corridor 40-45 miles away from the border, we conclude Agent Semmerling had reasonable suspicion Ms. Westhoven was involved in smuggling activity.”

34 posted on 05/03/2014 3:24:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: granite

facecrime - Orwell’s definition : “It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself — anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called.”


35 posted on 05/03/2014 4:39:30 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: LegendHasIt
If they had stopped her in Deming, they would have given her an anal exam.

If she had CO plates, the BP would have added that to the reason for stopping her. In Idaho, the state police used CO plates as an excuse to pull someone over. In that case a man slowed down when a cop pulled up behind him and exited the interstate at a rest stop. The cop followed him and while watching him he hit the curb with his car. That was enough for the cop to start interrogation and initiate a search of his car. He had no drugs but his arrest and impoundment of the car has led to a large lawsuit.

Lawsuit: Man Arrested, Searched For Marijuana Solely For Having Colorado License Plate

36 posted on 05/03/2014 4:59:49 PM PDT by CedarDave (CNN: The "Crisis News Channel" - all Flight 370 hysteria and global warming blather, all the time.)
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To: CedarDave

Correction, he was not arrested but “detained.”


37 posted on 05/03/2014 5:01:28 PM PDT by CedarDave (CNN: The "Crisis News Channel" - all Flight 370 hysteria and global warming blather, all the time.)
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To: granite
Federal court rules that stiff driving posture is suspicious behavior.

Congratulations, Drug War fascists! You've gotten the America you deserve...

38 posted on 05/03/2014 5:07:21 PM PDT by sargon
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To: granite

I was so oppositional in my teen years....I remember insisting I would agree to placing my hands at 9:45 and 2:15. so...I’m safe. :P


39 posted on 05/03/2014 5:07:56 PM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: andyk
>>Living in a police state. Ain’t it grand?<<

Yea, in Texas if the Po-Po wanna search your vehicle, they just claim the odor of marijuana. Bada bing, bada boom.

Not a damn thing you can do. If you even give a hint of refusal, you'll end up with your cheek being ground into the concrete.

Protect and serve? Yea, right.

40 posted on 05/03/2014 5:20:07 PM PDT by servantboy777
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