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Breaking the Constitution – National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
Townhall.com ^ | May 3, 2014 | Hank Adler

Posted on 05/03/2014 6:53:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

Just another group of New York lawyers:

“Let’s see if we can find a loophole in the Constitution of the United States and amend the Constitution without a Constitutional Amendment.”

“Let’s skip any vote required by Congress, let’s skip the required vote of the states and let’s skip a Constitutional Convention --- oh, and let’s not even ask the people of New York.”

Looking for a loophole. That is what we just love about lawyers, isn’t it?

Governor Cuomo has signed, on behalf of the people of New York, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. This Compact would result in the State of New York voting each of its electoral votes for the winner of the national popular vote regardless of the actual vote of the citizens of New York.

The Compact would become effective when and if states controlling 270 electoral votes, a number sufficient to elect the President, pass identical contractually binding legislation. State delegates in each of these states would thereafter be required to ignore their constituents and vote their state’s electoral votes for the winner of the national popular vote.

Without a vote of the people of New York, the New York legislature and the Governor agreed to essentially change the Constitution of the United States, risk the possibility that the State of New York will vote its electoral votes for a person other than the candidate selected by the people of New York and ultimately cause yet another presidential election to be decided by the Supreme Court of the United States.

There could be no greater irony than Governor Cuomo signing a bill to disenfranchise the roughly 13,000,000 million registered voters of New York. Ignoring all intellectual positions, the Governor must know that if in 2004, 59,300 Ohioans had voted for John Kerry instead of George W. Bush, Senator Kerry would have become President despite having lost the national popular vote by over 3 million votes. New York voted overwhelmingly (58%) for Mr. Kerry. If the National Popular Vote Compact had been in place, every New York electoral vote would have gone to President Bush and made him the President of the United States instead of Mr. Kerry.

This notion that a number of states controlling 270 electoral votes (theoretically possible with the approval of only 11 states) should be able, by a contract among themselves, affect a "poor man's constitutional amendment" to the Constitution of the United States is fascinating. This should be abhorrent to anyone with the slightest interest in the vitality and history of the Constitution. Such a plan would reduce the combined voting impact of the voters of Vermont, Wyoming, North Dakota and South Dakota in the presidential race to that of Brooklyn.

The Founders' conceptual framework for electing a President insured that urban voters of a few states could not totally control the selection of the President. Electing a President through a national popular vote would obliterate this concept.

Oh yes, the Compact is likely unconstitutional. Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States does allow each state legislature almost unlimited power to direct their electors in casting their electoral votes for President. However, two other articles of the Constitution individually and collectively trump Article 2.

First, Article 1 of the Constitution specifically prohibits agreements between States without the consent of Congress. While this clause has been judicially narrowed over time, it is unlikely that it has been narrowed sufficiently to allow the National Popular Vote compact without Congressional consent.

Second, this "poor man's constitutional amendment" is specifically designed to circumvent the Constitution. Without reservation, its sole purpose is to avoid the constitutionally necessary and likely unattainable requirement of ratification of this notion by three quarters of the states under Article 5. Would the Supreme Court allow such a result? I think not.

Under either Articles 1 & 5, separately and certainly collectively, the Supreme Court should hold the Compact unconstitutional. But here is the rub. First there would have to be an election, then there would have to be a lawsuit, then the Supreme Court would have to decide if the winner of a presidential election would be the winner according to the Constitution or via a loophole developed by approved by a bunch of New York lawyers. Then, instead of an election determined by the popular vote or the electoral system, the president would be determined by a majority of the then nine Supreme Court judges. Disaster!

The Compact contemplates neither multiple or regional candidates. The proposal does not contemplate a popular third party candidate emerging in 2016 or thereafter. It is not inconceivable that a candidate could win but two or three states, but do well across the country and win the presidency.

That any state legislature could be taking actions to approve a "poor man's constitutional amendment" rather than moving forward with a proper constitutional amendment as envisioned by the Founders is unacceptable. That any state legislature would consider ignoring their constituents' votes through their own affirmative action should be reserved for the fiction section of our local libraries.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: amendment; andrewcuomo; constitutional; electoralcollege; electoralvote; electoralvotes; nationalpopularvote
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To: mvymvy
Your statements about the U.S. Constitution are either flawed or deliberately misleading.

The provisions in the U.S. Constitution under which the president is elected through a special vote of the House of Representatives weren't intended specifically for cases of "tie votes" in the Electoral College. The more likely scenario was that a presidential election involved more than two candidates, and none of the candidates won enough electoral votes to get a majority of votes in the Electoral College.

That may sound like an unlikely scenario, but that's exactly what happened in 1824. By all accounts, Andrew Jackson should have "won" that election. He had more electoral votes than John Quincy Adams (99-84), more popular votes by a wide margin (41% to 31%), and won more states (12 to 7).

And yet the election was decided in the House of Representatives because Jackson didn't win a majority of the electoral votes (he needed 131). William Crawford (41 electoral votes) and Henry Clay (37 electoral votes) won enough states to keep Jackson from winning a majority in the Electoral College. So Adams was elected president, Jackson went home the loser, and the nation survived.

And I have news for you: Even in a "national popular vote" scenario you're still going to end up with small numbers of states getting most of the attention. I don't see how a presidential election that is decided only by voters living within 500 miles of Columbus, Ohio is any improvement over the system that's been in place for more than two centuries. What happens if 25 different candidates get on the presidential ballot? If one candidate gets 8% of the vote nationwide and that's more than anyone else, does he/she win the election? How's that supposed to work?

There's a good reason why popular vote totals never mattered in the U.S. Constitution: When the Constitution was written, many states chose their electors through the state legislatures rather than a popular vote. Is there anything wrong with that?

One thing I do know for sure is that a national popular vote for a country full of idiots. As Barack Obama has demonstrated so clearly, the last thing this country needs is a president whose record of accomplishment looks like something I'd find in an 8th-grade class president.

81 posted on 05/05/2014 3:46:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: mvymvy

hehe

Just gives more time for big cities and places like northern Minnesota to ‘find’ votes.

Does nothing except further neuter the states.


82 posted on 05/05/2014 3:49:02 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mvymvy
There's nothing "precarious" about the current process of awarding electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis. That's what this country's presidential elections have been for more than 200 years. You can correct that system by simply having these states adopt a system like what you already have in Maine and Nebraska: where each state's electoral votes are allocated by Congressional district, with the state's two additional electoral votes cast for the overall winner of the state. That's how Maine and Nebraska can have 4-0 or 3-1 margins in the electoral college.

A better argument for the national popular vote is that it should be tied to the elimination of a highly irregular (and untenable, in my mind) situation in which apportionment in the House of Representatives (and, by extension, Electoral College votes) is determined by population without any regard for the legal status of a state's residents. This is a disgrace, and shouldn't be allowed to stand. California picked up six House seats at the expense of other states after the 2000 census even though something like 1 out of 7 residents in California isn't even a citizen of the United States.

Let's fix those problems before we run around trying to adopt some kind of idiotic "national popular vote" for the White House.

83 posted on 05/05/2014 3:58:30 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

There is support for ditching the winner take all system in Michigan and awarding electors by districts won.

As far as illegals counted and setting district boundaries, if we stopped counting them, states would start screaming for border control.


84 posted on 05/05/2014 4:21:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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